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welcome to unraveling the secrets where

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we explore the connecting links between

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the delicious deeds of a group of secret

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society outlaws we're creating a tightly

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controlled world society with them as

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bosses and you and i as slaves to their

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system popularly known as the new world

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order

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research indicates that most of the

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unexplained craft we see in our skies

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are from somewhere on or inside our

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planet this led to research of the

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hollow earth and subterranean theories

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in the 1980s and 90s which in turn led

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to the realization that the answers we

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seek are in the control of a number of

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the latest groups and secret societies

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that we call collectively the

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even a quick look at recent world events

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should convince anyone that the

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controller's plan is working very well

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it is these things we explore on this

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radio show join us as we work towards

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hello welcome greetings welcome to

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unraveling the secrets at a new time and

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with new hosts hello this is timothy

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green beckley mr ufo on the manhattan

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side of the hudson and across the river

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in jersey city we have carla anderson

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representing the cutting edge of the

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paranormal hi there carla hi how are you

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all right good excited about doing the

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show i'm looking forward to the show

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tonight you betcha and down in miami

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where the sun always shines and the

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girls walk around in bikinis most of the

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year is our engineer and producer the

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jackal hello angel

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ceo mr ufo psn radio network what's

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going on down in sunny florida well

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staying nice and uh and warm down here

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it's been a beautiful beautiful 80

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all right how close are you to the beach

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when i'm in work in about 40 minutes

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well let us get into your convertible

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and take a cruise down there

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you would love it and they would love it

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miami is one of my carl and i went to

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miami one time we spent three days and

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it did nothing but rain it always rains

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to get to get on with our uh our show

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there's no doubt about it we're going to

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give you less idle chatter and more

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exciting provocative conversation and

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we're going to find some new guests

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we're going to find some new authors new

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researchers new investigators and really

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i've been writing on the subject for

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of ten i've had three

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a prophecy of of some uh sort some

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people think i might have been contacted

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necessarily that far but something

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strange has been taking place in my

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what's going on and the only way that i

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is by talking to people who have had

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experiences by talking to people who

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have been out there in the field and

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and we want to share this not only share

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this information with you but

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this to be a show where we can all get

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involved and we want you coming back

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every week uh angel um later on in the

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evening uh we're going to open it up for

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phone calls do you have a number you can

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give the people yes indeed the number is

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live and open and there's no screening

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people so you can just go right in and

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uh many of them are uh

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individuals who have followed my

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writings over the year you know i've

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publications i started out when i was a

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a kid at 14 i bought a mimeograph

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machine and i had the interplanetary

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news service report then we had the

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world's only tabloid ufo newspaper the

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ufo review and then of course ufo

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universe which was the new stamp

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uh shows and i'm glad to be on this side

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of the microphone finally i started how

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weird is it how weird is it for you

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being on this well you know i like this

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uh 10 days or so but i want to find out

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and i've had a heck of a lot of them but

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i've been busting my uh gut uh like i

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famous long john neville show now long

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credibility for a mile like georgia the

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contactees george adamski george van

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talking about myself which i could do

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for hours i'm sure carla you're new to

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the listening audience why don't you

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tell everybody a little bit about

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yourself and how you got into this and

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so how'd i get you wrangled me into this

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that's how i got into this

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it was over it was over a a stiff shot

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of fireball yes it was over

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yeah he wrangled me into this saturday

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goes i i think tim you know everything

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know uh we have we carry your books

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book so there's a lot of conversation

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and i'd have to say it it attracts a lot

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of people that want to talk about it as

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well and a lot of people that have had

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so you know you're being a hairdresser

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you get very intimate with people so

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people do tell me a lot of things but

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i've had a lot of people just come to

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the salon just to open up about their

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experiences because they know that i

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know a lot of people that have had these

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experiences or or and i that i know you

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well you know carla i remember you

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telling me that you had a tall white

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somewhat skeptical about the stories of

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these particular beings

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until carla hit me with the news that

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she had this

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i'm skeptical of everything and i'm

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ever there was a tall white he walked

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into my salon this guy had to be this

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guy had to be like six eight

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blonde good-looking

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you know uh blue-eyed you know just just

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so why does that make him an alien

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though i don't get that it could have

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been

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for the nba because i asked him where he

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was from and all he said was europe okay

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fine

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yeah

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i asked him if he wanted a cup of tea

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and he didn't know what it was

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already no no he didn't know what t was

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do you follow what i'm saying he didn't

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know what he was he didn't know what a

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joint did he know what a joint was maybe

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he just didn't understand you know no no

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no i it had to be there what is this do

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this crazy woman speaks of no no no no

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no no i'm very skeptical i'm very no he

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spoke good english i'm very skeptical

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but i have to say this to me

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he just he set off like an alarm in my

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head that he just was not a normal guy i

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said i think he was a tall white i

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really do i really do

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well it was his appearance too right on

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a technical level he was a tall white

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he's a tall white but no no but you know

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you have an instinct about things and

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i'm saying the guy freaked me out i'm

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saying i'm saying

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by every description this guy was a tall

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white he was tall he was good-looking he

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was he was he was not very specific and

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he didn't know what t was come on you

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had to be there you really just had to

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be there you had to be there yes

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tim

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i back you i back you all the way

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anyway because they know they know that

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i'm i'm gonna get to the bottom so i'm

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unraveling the secrets with you that's

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what it is i i think we want to um

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at this point perhaps have a little uh

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break and have come back with our first

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guest sheryl costa

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who i'm anxious to to talk to about her

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experiences as a journalist and

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she writes about ufo activity

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in new york state and she's got some

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really interesting cases to tell us

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about so angel take it away with a

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little bumper music and we'll be back in

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hey and we're back

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it's carla anderson and

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the jackal

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producing and engineering and our first

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guest of the evening is cheryl costa

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who is one of the few journalists

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associated with an actual newspaper who

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writes a regular feature on the subject

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of ufos she writes for the syracuse new

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times

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and she's new to our listening audience

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and actually she's new to me as well so

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cheryl why don't you give us a little

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bit of tell us about yourself let's

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start from scratch

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and and take it from there well i'm a

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native new yorker um i served in the

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military for about 10 years a couple

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years in the air force and a few more

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years in the navy i had a nice long

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30-year career it was a major aerospace

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company and then after basically being

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in the washington dc area for a

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very good grief a little over 26 maybe

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28 years down there

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i got out with my skin and i moved to

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upstate new york and after i got up here

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i got looking at the idea that uh

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i'd always been a us ufo bystander so to

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speak i always read everything but i

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never really spoke up on it and i one

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day i saw a um

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an article in the paper that uh not in a

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paper but on an online news service that

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said that ufos were just an urban legend

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and and i said wait a minute that

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doesn't sound right

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and uh i got rather ticked off and i i

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started talking some newspaper editors

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and uh

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i managed to get talk myself into doing

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a weekly column on just ufos and my beat

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is new york state only and i report

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about the ufos we see here in new york

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state and it's quite a few of them how

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often do you hi this is carla how are

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you very good

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good how often do you do the your

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publication once a week once a month uh

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no no no um um there's the

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searchesnewdines.com we do uh we do it

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on the online edition

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and on

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searchesnewtimes.com uh has uh comes

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the current weekly edition

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gets changed on tuesday

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but there's new there's new content with

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different columnists every day

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and my column is up about eight o'clock

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in the morning on friday every single

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week so i have to generate an article

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every week so what do you base your

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column on do you on sightings on

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sightings have you uh yeah yeah yeah

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yeah what i do is i i am cruising the uh

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national ufo reporting centers uh

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database and i'm also watching the um

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uh

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mufon's database

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uh usually i have a theme there's

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something i want to write about a couple

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weeks ago i wrote about

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cylinder ufos i went back and analyzed

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data in both databases and figured out

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how many cylinder ufo sightings had been

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seen since the year 2000 in new york

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state

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and i um i i did an article i had charts

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and graphs and all that sort of thing

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and i i wrote some story i wrote some um

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i regurgitated some accounts that i dug

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out of

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the national ufo reporting center

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typically i write a two to five hundred

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word written article and then uh one

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feature of the of the weekly post is

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i'll go back out to whatever the recent

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sightings were

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and i'll kind of do like a little tv

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guide kind of one and one or two line

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synopsis you know on uh january 13th at

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about 12 uh 12 o'clock uh a buffalo

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resident saw da da da da da da da da

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and and uh and i did that and a couple

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of times that we left it off of the

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article uh we got yelled at by our

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readers because they like that little

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weekly roundup

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yeah yeah that's what we do well the

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fact that you have any military

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background uh did that have anything to

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do with your interest did you see

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something

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as is there any particular reason why

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you're so interested

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no no i i've been interested since i was

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about 12 when i saw my first one oh you

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saw one oh you did have a sighting uh

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i've had i've had a total of four

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writings in my life and um the the first

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one i was about 12 years old

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we were visiting an aunt up in buffalo

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not buffalo but up in bath new york it's

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about central part of new york state

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and uh we were coming down off one of

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the rolling foothills up in that part of

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the uh that part of the state was a nice

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uh i'm gonna call it a late august early

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september afternoon about four o'clock

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in the afternoon the sky was

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perfectly crystal blue

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sky and off in the western sky was this

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shiny ball that was just king there was

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a spear

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and

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my mother had my father pulled the car

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over and she was the one that was read

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it was very well read at the time

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and uh

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uh she had been reading all the books

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frank edwards and all those folks and we

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sat there and watched this thing and i

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said well what is it and she told me

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that it could be any number of things it

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could be a weather balloon it could be

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this or that or it could be people from

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another planet and we talked about this

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and she was very gentle with me and

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explained to me what the implications

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were

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and we was that her was that her first

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sighting

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yeah it was but she again she said she

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was very well read

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and um

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she uh you watch it for about 15 minutes

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my father's sitting here watching it and

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everything we had the car shut off on

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the side of the road and then

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suddenly it just

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shut off

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you know you know you've seen you know

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the the enterprise on star trek shoot

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off with a little bit of a trail behind

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you kind of thing just just going like a

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bed out of hell well that's exactly what

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this thing did it just it just what were

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the other ones

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uh the other one was i was in vietnam it

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was christmas eve and uh christmas eve

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1971 i was in vietnam

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and i was walking to take in i was about

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uh quarter to 12 i was going down to the

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to the base chapel to go to midnight

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mass

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and i was [\h__\h] long and i was looking

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in the western sky and i saw this light

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moving across the sky and i thought well

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maybe it's a fighter jet or maybe it's a

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helicopter and then it stopped and then

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it began darting around for about five

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minutes it began darting around in the

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sky and then it shot off in a

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a different direction

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and uh i just stood there dumbfounded

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when i saw this

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just the fact you're in vietnam i mean

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i'm just trying to picture all that and

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then what what what was going on uh with

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the other two

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i'm just wondering if there's some kind

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of pattern

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what were the other two yeah i never

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thought i never no no i never saw a

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pattern code because i was i was 12

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years old with the first one and we just

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saw this blue

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blue disc out there in the sky

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if you want a proportion to it if you

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were to hold your finger out at arm's

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length uh in the sky it appeared about

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the size of my my little fingernail

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is that big

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okay

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i'm doing that now absolutely

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just absolutely brilliant you know yeah

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yeah like i said it shot off and that

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so that was an interest i had now what

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happened was let's switch the military

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or anything like that to give me any

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insight to it

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but um

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back around 1991 i had about 1990 i hit

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some um

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some abdominal surgery and i was in

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recuperation for a couple of months okay

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and i was sort of between apartments at

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the time and a friend of mine had was

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taking care of his father who had cancer

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and he said well tell me what i got a

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house over here in laurel maryland why

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don't you here's the keys why don't you

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just go over there and and stay there

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and just take care of the utilities

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while you're while you're getting it

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back on your feet so i did well this guy

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had like the biggest ufo book collection

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of anybody i'd seen he must have had 300

549
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,880
books

550
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,880
and uh and

551
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,799
the cable house didn't have cable so i

552
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,880
had a lot of time to read and

553
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,480
that was one of those like essentially

554
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,080
like a three month sabbatical reading

555
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:14,240
books on new or false

556
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,039
and

557
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,799
there was a lot of really good books uh

558
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,400
something uh

559
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,720
he had about everything writ uh stanley

560
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,640
friedman had it that had written at that

561
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,280
time so i got very heavy on the topic

562
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,520
again i never thought about doing

563
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,400
anything about it already so

564
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:31,679
so when you're writing now are you

565
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,760
writing about uh current events are you

566
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,840
writing about uh like a particular

567
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,440
subject like when you say you're gonna

568
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,799
write about cylinders then you do all

569
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,240
the research about anything that was

570
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,480
written on cylinders when you do this

571
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:44,320
this report usually are you writing

572
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:47,120
about current events uh or or about

573
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,960
specific topics

574
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,200
no new york state new york state

575
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,919
sightings uh sometimes trends

576
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,360
um i

577
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,679
in my aerospace job i did an awful lot

578
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,400
of analysis of data

579
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,799
okay uh looking for patterns and trends

580
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,799
and things like this

581
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,600
so

582
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,799
i i took things like the the the

583
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,200
lufon database and they were kind enough

584
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,360
to let me have a copy of just the new

585
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,320
york state ones in the spreadsheet form

586
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,360
okay so i was able to crunch the data

587
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:21,280
uh i did a similar thing with the

588
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,320
national ufo reporting center um data

589
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,400
for just new york state

590
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,320
and i started going for patterns i

591
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,240
started going out and reading very old

592
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,760
sightings and things like that i have

593
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:33,919
found fighting i found a listing with a

594
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,679
sighting from 1790 oh yeah tell us about

595
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,679
tell us about that that that's got to be

596
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,200
fascinating

597
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,159
17 okay i've got one from 1790 and i

598
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,799
hear i know of about five during the

599
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,440
19th century which is what's interesting

600
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,799
about that is you know when i tell

601
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,480
people this people i have a lot of

602
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:54,400
people come to me and say oh

603
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:56,760
ufos are just a modern phenomenon since

604
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,760
1947 and that's in my position that's

605
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,520
baloney

606
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:03,840
because there are these documented ufo

607
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,679
sightings um prior to our culture having

608
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,720
airplanes you know uh let me go to 1790.

609
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,679
um it's a place called sclera county up

610
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,159
near albany which is the com of the the

611
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,000
capital state capital

612
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,600
uh 1790 it was a what they call what we

613
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,440
call a deutsche

614
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,600
uh settlement uh people would think that

615
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,480
it was german but it was probably dutch

616
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:30,720
uh he was a dutch settler

617
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,640
uh and he his account was sworn out a

618
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,520
couple of years later it was uh

619
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,919
middle of summer and he said he heard

620
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,080
this he was playing his fiddle on his

621
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:44,640
back porch of his cabin

622
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,400
and he heard a loud deafening roar and

623
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:50,400
he looked up and it something was

624
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,640
lighting up the northern sky very

625
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,000
brightly

626
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,880
and he said that it was so bright

627
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,919
that

628
00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:00,000
you could have picked up kings on his

629
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,520
porch from the brightness of the

630
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,679
lightning of the light

631
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,080
and it came down with a

632
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,360
smell of

633
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,080
uh burnt tar and sulfur

634
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,640
and it came down and it

635
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:14,640
hovered above the ground

636
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,400
about 300 yards away from his cabin

637
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,159
he said that it was

638
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,039
long like a snake

639
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,799
and it looked like the front part of it

640
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,159
looked like a tree that had been

641
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,159
uprooted so it's kind of like hold your

642
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,000
hand out and kind of like do like a

643
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:31,919
little grip there you get an idea looks

644
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,559
like a roots of a tree okay and he said

645
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,120
it long and tapered down he said it was

646
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,320
about 150 200 feet long

647
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,120
and when it began moving hovering about

648
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,440
a height of a man above the ground and

649
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,760
was hurt and moving and moving along he

650
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,600
said it moved along at the gap of a

651
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,919
young horse

652
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,679
and then when it got to a rise in the

653
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,919
land the thing just tilted up and went

654
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,600
with the rise of the land and he watched

655
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,000
it go over a ride of a small hill and

656
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:01,840
that was the last he had seen of it he

657
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:04,559
swore out this deposition about

658
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,120
two years later in carlisle new york at

659
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:12,149
creepy

660
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,960
what

661
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,960
were there other now uh when you go back

662
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,520
in time in uh new york state here were

663
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,840
there other uh people kept i guess they

664
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,440
were more prone to keep journals and

665
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,840
things in the logs in those days

666
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,200
were there other sightings do you know

667
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,440
that were reported

668
00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:29,200
yeah um

669
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:32,679
one of the other good ones um

670
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,600
1861 uh it was about uh about a month

671
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,840
after abraham lincoln had been sworn

672
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,440
into presidency

673
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,039
and where where is this where is this

674
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,120
stuff documented

675
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,279
these things oh this well i'll get to

676
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,520
that in a minute okay um

677
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,080
this sighting was it wasn't reported

678
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,919
like a ufo um the way it was reported um

679
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,679
if you've ever seen the movie games of

680
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,520
new york

681
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:02,240
for the television show in amsterdam new

682
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,520
york city at that time was no high-rises

683
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,000
it was just

684
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,080
one and two-story wooden buildings for

685
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,159
the most part okay

686
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,880
and um there are sometimes five and

687
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:17,039
three four story buildings well a lady

688
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,360
was up in the notorious five points area

689
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,440
and uh her name is mrs baxter and she

690
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,520
she was up about midnight she looked

691
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,400
outside into the sky

692
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,640
and she about midnight and she happened

693
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,640
to see what looked to be a flinging

694
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,679
cross in the sky

695
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,360
okay

696
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,679
and she reported it

697
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,840
in confession

698
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,440
to a priest

699
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,279
uh i forget the name of the church off

700
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,600
the top of my head but she reported it

701
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,279
to her priest

702
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,400
um in a confessional kind of context and

703
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,720
it was scribbled into the member paper

704
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,960
was a very valuable commodity in those

705
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:00,640
days okay

706
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:03,840
so it was scribbled into the margins

707
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,279
with a sketch of what it looked like um

708
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,960
in the margins of the

709
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,080
church's baptismal record

710
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:13,840
and researcher a few years ago

711
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,559
discovered it i have a pdf of it

712
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,720
in my computer someplace

713
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,840
and um uh so it came to light well this

714
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,440
i forget the name of the researcher but

715
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,200
the reason this researcher

716
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:27,760
went back and looked in the the

717
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,240
microfilm the newspaper archives of that

718
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,320
era was there anything else going on in

719
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,440
town

720
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,039
and what happened was there was a black

721
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,159
city block size fire a warehouse and a

722
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,360
number of stores and livery stables that

723
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,200
type of thing we're going up to head

724
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,960
guard we're going up in flames it was a

725
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,840
huge fire

726
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,080
and what this researcher came to

727
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,440
understand is perhaps

728
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,679
this was the silvery hole of whatever

729
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,679
this was that was up in the sky was

730
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,039
reflecting that the light of the flames

731
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,880
and it's like fighting again like i said

732
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,880
like an aircraft had wounds and that

733
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,720
that's where the cross shape came from

734
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,360
it was reflecting off of its tiny hole

735
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,640
the the flicker of this block size

736
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:20,470
okay

737
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,149
well i can give you

738
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,200
a mirror type object and then

739
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,600
there were flames below that that large

740
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,080
where everything was on fire i could see

741
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,600
i i don't know that's what that's what

742
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:33,039
these that's what people that's what

743
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,480
that's what the researchers seem to

744
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,240
think and i can kind of concur on that

745
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,240
idea i mean you know then you have

746
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,960
biblical chariots of fire and

747
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:43,440
you know i mean the fire you know

748
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,520
you know but okay it doesn't really i

749
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,799
don't even think it needs that much

750
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,360
explanation really if it's you know

751
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,039
no it's pretty straightforward

752
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,880
in the way i explained it yeah that's

753
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,200
just her interpretation yeah

754
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,039
there was another sighting

755
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,480
about the same time

756
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,600
actually many months before that

757
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,760
and what happened was

758
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,080
it was a hot august night

759
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,440
and

760
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:11,679
everybody had their windows open

761
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,960
and it was first seen up around albany

762
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,000
new york

763
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,720
and it appeared to be two large bright

764
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,880
balls of light

765
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,440
streaking across the sky

766
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,520
and it went past new york and it was

767
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,159
seen to be in the sky from horizon to

768
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,640
horizon as far as like going north to

769
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:31,600
south

770
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,320
for

771
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,440
over a minute and even the newspaper

772
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,760
reporters from two different newspapers

773
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,840
made remark similar remarks in the

774
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,000
newspaper that it was not like a

775
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,480
shooting star or a meteor because it was

776
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,200
in the sky for a long time

777
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,960
there were similar reports in

778
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,000
philadelphia washington dc and norfolk

779
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,880
virginia was the last place they saw it

780
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:56,640
well i sat down with a friend of mine

781
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,480
who uh

782
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,240
used to work for nasa and we did some

783
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:02,720
calculations for it that was in the sky

784
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,320
for horizon to horizon and we calculated

785
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,520
what speed it might be flying at and we

786
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:11,440
found out from that russian meteor that

787
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,480
came in

788
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,480
uh a year last year or the year before

789
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,880
last that that thing was coming in at 50

790
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,799
000 miles an hour and it was only in the

791
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,120
sky for a few moments right

792
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,320
this was in the sky for minutes

793
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,640
and we did the calculations and what it

794
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,640
really amounted to it was about it

795
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,880
looked like it was about 3 500 miles an

796
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,440
hour which was which is about

797
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,200
one of the speeds you see with the space

798
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,990
and

799
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,440
that is the

800
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,840
that is a conjecture that i made in my

801
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,919
article after i recorded

802
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,240
uh what all of the all of the different

803
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,240
i gave a little synopsis of what all the

804
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,760
different city newspapers reported

805
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:55,600
well you know new york new york state

806
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,279
has had uh actually quite a history of

807
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,000
strange activity and i know i see here

808
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,000
from your your background information

809
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,240
that you're also interested in in in

810
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,159
other subjects as well well

811
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:10,799
washington irving uh you know wrote

812
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,679
about

813
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,000
uh the weird things that were happening

814
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,440
uh

815
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,840
back in what 1750

816
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,159
1780 whenever he he wrote his uh

817
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,120
literature you know and and if you read

818
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:25,760
the paragraphs from his book

819
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,279
uh about this paranormal activity and

820
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:30,960
matched it up

821
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,919
to today you think he was writing about

822
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,519
you know things that were happening in

823
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,519
new york state now and not several

824
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,679
hundred uh years ago

825
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:42,799
there is a parallel with what's happened

826
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,240
before and what's happening uh now like

827
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,480
you say a lot of people think oh ufos

828
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,080
first they thought well it's just that

829
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,399
american phenomena nobody else in the

830
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:55,679
world sees ufos well we know that ufos

831
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,200
are seen even in the most remote places

832
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,279
and the biggest countries the smallest

833
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,799
countries it has nothing to do with

834
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:04,880
locations and we also know that they

835
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:08,240
have been seen throughout history and

836
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,519
that's what makes it so fascinating now

837
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:13,679
tell me what campaign or check the point

838
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:16,880
there about washington irving yes

839
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,360
um now okay now before you go down the

840
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,000
route of saying hey maybe maybe rip van

841
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,519
winkle was an abduction case

842
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,039
okay let me tell you a little story

843
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,880
about that i'd heard several people who

844
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,960
were researchers who wrote papers many

845
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,200
years ago on whether rick van winkle was

846
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,559
an abduction case

847
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,919
i never knew about these articles okay

848
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,559
i i just was finishing a bachelor's

849
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:43,600
degree here in past year

850
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:46,799
and a couple semesters ago

851
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:50,320
i read i had never read

852
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,279
uh

853
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:52,799
rick van winkle

854
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,039
oh i've seen little cartoon references

855
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,200
to it over the years in cartoons and

856
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:58,159
things

857
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,399
and i remember a third grade teacher

858
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,960
reading this rick fan ankle but i never

859
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,799
read it myself

860
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,480
and i got done reading it and i've been

861
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,480
writing the column for over a year at

862
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,120
that point and i read this thing i said

863
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,000
jesus this this this sounds like a

864
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,120
classic abduction case

865
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,799
so i went to my college professor and i

866
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,640
had a student i had to write a term

867
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,039
paper and a you know

868
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,679
in a writing class and i said hey would

869
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,760
you mind if i wrote on this topic maybe

870
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,240
this is a this maybe this is a a an

871
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,000
alien abduction case or something like

872
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,080
that reported either by a colonial or

873
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,440
maybe some native folk story from the

874
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,559
hudson valley and she said go ahead

875
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,440
that sounds interesting

876
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,120
well i had to go back to her about three

877
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,480
months later and i came back to her and

878
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,640
i said we have a problem here

879
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880
and she says what's that i said well i

880
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:52,799
went down the rabbit hole with distort

881
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,880
with this concept and it's gotten

882
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,760
complicated and it reads less like a

883
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,360
history paper and reads

884
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,640
i'm sorry it reads less like a

885
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,399
literature paper and more like a history

886
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,720
paper do i continue doing what i'm doing

887
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,880
and she says tell me what the problem is

888
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,280
i said one washington irving did not

889
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,320
write he plagiarized the story of rick

890
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,560
van winkle

891
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:17,200
okay for one it was based on a german

892
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,119
folk tale written by a johann uh

893
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,800
natangel

894
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,960
all right so i dug into it i went and

895
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,359
read the short story by

896
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,520
johann nachengal

897
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,599
and it was placed in the clefuson

898
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,720
mountains of central germany

899
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,159
i don't know if you've ever seen the

900
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,720
wood block cuts of like the ufos over

901
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,359
hamburg and nuremberg germany

902
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,480
yes

903
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,240
you can find them on the line all right

904
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,399
well this place is halfway in between

905
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,960
both of those places

906
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,119
and being that it was an oral tradition

907
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,200
i read the version that matt and gail

908
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,599
showed shared as a folk tale

909
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,400
it's only a page long it's not 15 pages

910
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,400
long like like rick van winkle but it

911
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,480
reads very similarly but it's more

912
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,720
direct and more to the point

913
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:06,960
and it gave me the impression that he

914
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,920
want he was whoever this this cloth the

915
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,079
goat herder was who was the rich van

916
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,240
winkle in the german story

917
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:15,440
he

918
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,359
went in someplace and found 12 uniformed

919
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,280
knights

920
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,680
and the only similarity in the pic in

921
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,880
the two stories is they always say

922
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,119
the cartoons and everything always

923
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,680
depict as rip van winkle as an old man

924
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,839
when he wakes up with a long beard down

925
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:36,480
to his ankles and all this sort of thing

926
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,760
no both stories say he only grew a beard

927
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,400
of about a foot long

928
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,520
okay

929
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,839
didn't say he aged 20 years only did he

930
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,720
was gone 20 years

931
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,119
so i did some calculations and i talked

932
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,119
to a hairdresser and found out that

933
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,599
northern germanic men grow beard rates

934
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,560
at about a half an inch a month well if

935
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,560
you grew a foot long beard that means he

936
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,359
was gone 24 months looking at relativity

937
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,800
and everything he did some racial

938
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,640
calculations had a business friend of

939
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,560
mine helping with the calculations he

940
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,280
would have been gone about 20 years

941
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,280
wow

942
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,630
that was one of my articles

943
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,800
well did he did he

944
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,720
during this 20 years that he was gone

945
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,560
did he have any recollection at all or

946
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,320
he was just passed out solid calling

947
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,079
yeah yeah what so what happened yeah i

948
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,680
want to know what happened

949
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:32,240
he he remembered being with the strange

950
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,200
men

951
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,119
but he did not remember

952
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,280
uh he was like doing things with them

953
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,720
and of course in the stories because he

954
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,880
was setting up their 19s and things like

955
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:43,200
this it was kind of like a bowling game

956
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,480
but he uh he was just with them for that

957
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,040
period of time and when and then then he

958
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,320
found himself

959
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,839
waking up

960
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,200
in a field

961
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,359
and when he woke up in the field

962
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,920
he found his rifle who that he had laid

963
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,680
next to a tree now that the rip van

964
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:01,599
winkle says he laid his rifle next to a

965
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,480
tree

966
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:04,480
and it was rusted well that's the

967
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,240
american version of it that uh that

968
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,280
irving modified the mattenville story

969
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,440
says he just simply found his way back

970
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:15,680
down to his village and everybody that

971
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:18,960
he knew was gone except for a daughter

972
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,599
and some other people and that he

973
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520
reached and they realized who it was and

974
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,920
they said you've been gone 20 years

975
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,800
you know

976
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,119
the context of it wow

977
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,280
i have to re-read this that sounds

978
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,760
really interesting

979
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,640
you should and and yeah i'd like to

980
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,119
and if you if you look if you google it

981
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,000
up online if you google it and to rick

982
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:44,800
van winkle uh right up in wikipedia it

983
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,640
will reference the uh jj jcc natangal

984
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:50,400
story you should be able to find the

985
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,480
text for that short story online as well

986
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,240
you know we have we have time for maybe

987
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,520
one more uh sighting and we plan to have

988
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,480
you uh plan to have you back

989
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,800
and uh maybe five or six weeks to

990
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,520
continue this what what what is the

991
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,920
first sighting that you know of over uh

992
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,800
manhattan or new york city

993
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,720
i don't i don't have a good number there

994
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,880
i don't have a most recent one what's

995
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,960
the most recent one

996
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,720
i don't have one of those for you either

997
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,320
because i haven't looked at the database

998
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,560
this week but let me give you let me

999
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:27,200
give you some stats okay

1000
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:31,599
since 2000 to the end of 2014

1001
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:32,400
uh

1002
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:37,359
yeah to the end of 2014 we've had in

1003
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,320
excess of 2 30 uh 3 500 sightings in new

1004
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,480
york state since the year 2000 to end of

1005
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,119
2014.

1006
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,119
um they've been they've been they were

1007
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,800
on a ramp they were

1008
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,359
kind of leveled off at about 300

1009
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,119
sightings a year right up until about

1010
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:57,359
four or five years ago and it's been on

1011
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:01,520
an upward ramp uh since about 2010

1012
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,480
um and last year in 2014 we had 540 no

1013
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,599
uh reported sightings

1014
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,119
do you know do you know about the

1015
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,040
sighting that took place where there

1016
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,079
were 60 observers from the gulf and

1017
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,079
western building from the restaurant up

1018
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,480
there over central park this is a couple

1019
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,560
of decades ago and

1020
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,480
i remember there was some stuff online

1021
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,480
about it and i heard about it and i

1022
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,880
think it was investigated by mufon and i

1023
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,119
can't find anything now it seems to have

1024
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:32,640
vanished

1025
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,520
um

1026
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,400
i know i don't know that one uh one a

1027
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:38,640
similar one that i do know of

1028
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:42,560
was a black wobbling ufo that was

1029
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,839
circling the upper floors of the empire

1030
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,359
state building

1031
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:50,960
and from several blocks away at the um

1032
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,480
uh 57th street

1033
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,200
east 57th street with cbs and like that

1034
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,760
and a number of other news companies are

1035
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,440
um

1036
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,240
the

1037
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,160
bureau chief for mutual news this is

1038
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:06,240
like 1962

1039
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,000
um and about 15 other news along with

1040
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,160
the broadcast engineers that were up in

1041
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,240
this upper storage of the building sat

1042
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,000
there and watched this thing circling

1043
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,640
the empire state building for about 15

1044
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,280
minutes they called over to the

1045
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,440
broadcast tower areas in the upper part

1046
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,440
of the empire state building and told

1047
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,839
the engineers can you see this thing

1048
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,599
these people looked outside the window

1049
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,440
but could not see it

1050
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:33,200
but those people several blocks away

1051
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,400
were at watching this wobbling us ufo

1052
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,400
kind of wobbling like a top

1053
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,640
wrote flying around the upper floors

1054
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,880
before it streaked off

1055
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,040
well you know back back in the early

1056
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,440
1950s there was the

1057
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,839
ground observer core i guess this would

1058
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,720
even be before then you know and uh a

1059
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,839
fellow that i knew by the name of

1060
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:55,119
augustine

1061
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,240
roberts

1062
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,480
uh actually took a photograph of a ufo

1063
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,079
hovering in the sky

1064
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,839
uh pretty close to the empire state

1065
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,839
building he was i think in jersey city

1066
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:05,680
at the uh at the time and that's a

1067
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,640
pretty famous uh photograph uh anyway

1068
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:10,240
time marches

1069
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,599
and uh why don't you give up tell the

1070
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,640
listeners

1071
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,280
uh where they can find you online and

1072
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,200
we'll make arrangements to have you you

1073
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,520
back on soon because we've just covered

1074
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,880
the uh the scratch the surface uh of

1075
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,440
this and there's many more ufos to go

1076
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,680
and there's some really interesting

1077
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,079
sightings here i mean you people think

1078
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,040
of new york as you know metropolitan and

1079
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,040
people wouldn't see metropolitan area

1080
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,119
and people wouldn't see ufos because

1081
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,720
people only see them in the swamp or

1082
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,280
they see them in cow pastures well that

1083
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,480
isn't the case in fact um a month or so

1084
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,280
ago we had mark brinkerhoff on

1085
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,000
uh the outer edge which is a show i was

1086
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,400
coasting uh co-hosting at the time

1087
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,760
and um

1088
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,319
he told us some very remarkable things

1089
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,800
sightings and all the uh that you know

1090
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,640
took place in his life and he's actually

1091
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:06,640
seen and photographed them outside of

1092
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,079
his uh apartment building in

1093
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,400
new york city uh here and uh in fact he

1094
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,240
will be the subject of a chapter in a

1095
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,960
book that i'm uh just completed that

1096
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:18,960
should be out in a uh in a couple of

1097
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,319
weeks it's called the ufo repeaters the

1098
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,720
camera doesn't lie about people who seem

1099
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,760
to have the ability to draw ufos to them

1100
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,000
and go out with a camera and take some

1101
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,319
very incredible photographs anyway

1102
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,800
cheryl why don't you tell us

1103
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,560
tell the listeners where they can follow

1104
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,680
your activities and read your

1105
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,480
column and we'll have you back on like i

1106
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,960
say and just a very short while to

1107
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,720
continue this very fascinating

1108
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,160
discussion

1109
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:50,480
we'd love to talk to you again okay

1110
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,599
we're at the syracuse new times dot com

1111
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,599
syracuse newtimes.com

1112
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,200
when you get on the site there's a

1113
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,040
control bar at the top you go over to

1114
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,000
where it says blogs and hover your mouse

1115
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:06,480
and then the first blog on the drop down

1116
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,200
window will be one called new york skies

1117
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,720
and i think they have a parenthesis

1118
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,960
there it says ufo column you click on

1119
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,760
that

1120
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,920
the current article is the first article

1121
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,760
that you see there's a one up there

1122
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,319
right now and then the next uh there's

1123
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,720
typically eight to ten more articles

1124
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,560
from like the last eight to ten weeks

1125
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,280
are also there to keep an archive about

1126
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,839
8 to 10 articles at any one time so you

1127
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,640
can read it at syracusenewtimes.com

1128
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,480
the interesting thing about this column

1129
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:36,480
the editor wrote an editorial here

1130
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,280
recently on us and basically said that

1131
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,440
it's the best read column at the paper

1132
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,119
that's not in print

1133
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,119
and that we have international

1134
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,200
readership which is really fun for a

1135
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,599
small weekly paper in upstate new york

1136
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,920
to have international readership well

1137
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,839
you you deserve it you've got a lot of

1138
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,560
uh

1139
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:56,720
great material here and you've done your

1140
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,760
uh homework and uh we'll be talking to

1141
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,440
you shortly and yeah you can't wait

1142
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:03,680
again

1143
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,270
hey unraveling the secrets we're back

1144
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,359
and i want to give a shout out to

1145
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:17,760
some of our associates and friends out

1146
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,280
there april helen skyler

1147
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,319
and carol and to all our homies and

1148
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,960
remember we want you to participate in

1149
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:29,440
the program angel give out that phone

1150
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:33,520
number that is 786-245-8127

1151
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,079
and remember we want you tuning in every

1152
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:39,040
week same time same place

1153
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:44,079
same crew of investigators

1154
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:48,319
angel carla tim and it's rock and roll

1155
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,560
ufos and the pair normal and next week

1156
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,960
actually our guest will be laurie

1157
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,960
mcdonald who is the founder and

1158
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,440
organizer of the sacramento alien

1159
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,880
abduction and contacty support group and

1160
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,240
john ventry host of hanger one on the

1161
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,560
history channel in pennsylvania state

1162
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,880
director of mufon

1163
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,920
and now on with the show

1164
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,280
ted phillips

1165
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,119
we haven't heard from you in about a

1166
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,960
year you've been

1167
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:20,000
hiding

1168
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,000
from the public now ted and i'm sure a

1169
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:26,240
lot of you know his history began

1170
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,839
researching ufos he tells us 52 years

1171
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,800
ago he worked closely with dr j holland

1172
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:34,480
heineck

1173
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,640
from 1968 until his death 18 years

1174
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,240
later

1175
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:43,599
ted is a specialist in ufo landing cases

1176
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,440
involving physical traces currently his

1177
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:50,000
files contain over five thousand

1178
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,760
physical evidence cases from

1179
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,400
99

1180
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:57,440
countries now that's a fascinating

1181
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,319
amount

1182
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,280
uh philip says he has investigated 600

1183
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:04,160
general cases from missouri plus uh

1184
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,359
almost 1100 events in the marley woods

1185
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:09,920
where ufos have appeared on many

1186
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:12,319
different occasions indicating that is

1187
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,400
an ongoing ufo window area

1188
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,240
uh his background he's been on all the

1189
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:21,040
tv shows all the talk shows he's a

1190
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,560
fascinating individual and i always

1191
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:27,599
enjoy our conversation in fact there is

1192
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,640
a video uh interview that i did with ted

1193
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:33,520
a couple of years ago that's up on

1194
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,400
uh

1195
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,040
youtube he also has worked in addition

1196
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,839
to working with dr jay anand heineck uh

1197
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,319
astronaut gordon cooper former

1198
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,200
astronomer jacques valet

1199
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,599
and ted let's take it right from the

1200
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,599
beginning the first case that i believe

1201
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:52,640
that you showed up and investigated was

1202
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,079
down in socorro new mexico where police

1203
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:58,640
officer lani zamora actually claimed

1204
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,599
that he had seen a ufo land

1205
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,599
out in the rural area

1206
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,319
and it left some markings and indentions

1207
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:09,119
on the ground and i believe he even saw

1208
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,520
several humanoid beings take us back to

1209
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,640
that year

1210
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,839
what year was that ted take us back and

1211
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,520
describe the incident and how you got

1212
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,760
involved in all of this because you

1213
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,200
stuck with this

1214
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,119
longer than most

1215
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,880
individuals have and you've had a

1216
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,599
fascinating career and done probably

1217
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,839
more investigative work than anyone that

1218
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:34,000
i know personally

1219
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,440
well the

1220
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,240
yeah sapporo new mexico is an

1221
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:42,160
extraordinary case and that was

1222
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:49,589
pearl new mexico

1223
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,680
and lonnie zamora a very impressive

1224
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,760
witness a very

1225
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,480
low-key guy

1226
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,079
didn't embellish

1227
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,640
anything at all about the cases

1228
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,200
you had actually the drag

1229
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,119
information out of him

1230
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,480
he was a rather shy

1231
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,520
guy

1232
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,960
and

1233
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:15,280
the cool thing was

1234
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,109
because it it was a landing page it was

1235
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:26,079
daylight a good good witness multiple

1236
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,440
witnesses

1237
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,720
and uh

1238
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,960
physical evidence which

1239
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:33,359
uh i would get into

1240
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,040
about four years later with alan heineck

1241
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,200
and

1242
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,280
at the time

1243
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,680
when i was there which was a couple of

1244
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,720
days after the event

1245
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,880
the physical evidence was still quite

1246
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:50,319
visible and

1247
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:51,200
uh

1248
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,240
as

1249
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:54,319
it would work out

1250
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,200
jay allen was there

1251
00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:58,960
ray stanford

1252
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:01,839
the lorenzens

1253
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,280
people that i would work with uh

1254
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,040
later in life

1255
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,440
well ted how how what drew you to the

1256
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,040
area though i mean where you were what

1257
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:13,119
about 21 years old at the time 20 years

1258
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,160
old

1259
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,680
uh what would i have been about 23.

1260
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,319
yes okay oh 22.

1261
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,800
yeah okay well what what drew you to the

1262
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,839
area

1263
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,559
what got you interested in say ufos that

1264
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,640
you wanted did you live in missouri at

1265
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,319
the time and make a long trip down there

1266
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:32,319
or yes yeah

1267
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,280
yeah

1268
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,599
uh actually i had been

1269
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:36,640
i

1270
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,079
my

1271
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,680
father

1272
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,400
worked at a radio station in

1273
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,480
sedalia missouri which

1274
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,240
my hometown

1275
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,480
and

1276
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:06,880
he of course knew that i was quite

1277
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,520
interested in the subject and he took me

1278
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,000
out of the radio station and introduced

1279
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,079
me to

1280
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,559
one of the engineers at the radio

1281
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,920
station and

1282
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:19,520
bob younger

1283
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:23,359
and bob was a pilot in world war ii he

1284
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,400
flew

1285
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,200
knight intruder bombers

1286
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,280
and uh on

1287
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,760
one evening they were flying

1288
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:32,720
uh

1289
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,680
over the wars on one of the war zones

1290
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,559
and a an entire

1291
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,960
complement of

1292
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,640
the intruders

1293
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,160
and

1294
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,040
they

1295
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,839
all of the pilots all the crews

1296
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,440
witnessed a

1297
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,359
small

1298
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,520
brilliant circular

1299
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:55,119
light

1300
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,079
and

1301
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,760
it was coming

1302
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:59,920
from the right side

1303
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,280
and it passed very close overhead and as

1304
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,400
it went

1305
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:07,200
over the wing of bombers

1306
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,319
they all reported a sort of turbulence

1307
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,280
kind of a backwards off of this thing

1308
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,800
it

1309
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,440
passed on to the left

1310
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,359
and suddenly

1311
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,240
instantly reversed direction

1312
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:27,359
and came back under the bombers

1313
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,240
and

1314
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,680
had the same

1315
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,000
air turbulent effect

1316
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:33,280
and

1317
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,240
so

1318
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:37,359
that really swung me over i mean i was i

1319
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:40,640
was sold on the whole business then

1320
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:44,319
and the cool thing was that bob

1321
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,359
over the years following that

1322
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,960
uh

1323
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:50,400
contacted

1324
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,480
and pulled together the names

1325
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:55,760
locations et cetera

1326
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,319
of all the uh bomber pilots and the

1327
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,240
proof crewman

1328
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:05,040
and sent me that uh he had moved to

1329
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,480
florida

1330
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,000
and um

1331
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,960
all those years later he uh

1332
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,359
heard me on a radio show

1333
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,640
somewhere

1334
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:17,520
and uh tracked me down and sent all that

1335
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:19,680
information to me and

1336
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:22,000
so that really kicked it off for me and

1337
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,280
i

1338
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,920
pursued the subject uh

1339
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,079
when i would hear about a case no matter

1340
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,680
what kind of

1341
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,559
sighting it was i would

1342
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,559
talk with the witnesses

1343
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:36,240
and

1344
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:43,520
so when squirrel came along it was such

1345
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,119
a an extraordinarily interesting case

1346
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,680
with so many

1347
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
directions

1348
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,880
it was going with

1349
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,680
that i wanted to go down and see this

1350
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,839
for myself on my own

1351
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,200
and

1352
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,319
then four years later

1353
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,720
dr heineck and i got together

1354
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:07,040
investigating a case

1355
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,720
involving

1356
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,760
three witnesses excellent witnesses

1357
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,040
who had very close range in daylight saw

1358
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:17,520
and photographed an object

1359
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,119
coming off the ground 300 feet from them

1360
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:22,400
got

1361
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,319
one super clear photo of the object

1362
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,119
as it was ascending a lot of structural

1363
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:30,800
detail on it

1364
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,760
and a second photo as it was picking up

1365
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,839
speed pretty blurred

1366
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:37,520
and there

1367
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,800
was physical evidence in that

1368
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,720
when they returned to their they were

1369
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,000
deer hunting

1370
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,079
in roaring river state park here in

1371
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,359
missouri

1372
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,079
and when they returned to their uh

1373
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,839
their campsite

1374
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:54,000
they found the uh

1375
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:59,280
this large tent completely uh burned up

1376
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:00,240
and

1377
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:03,280
just the aluminum

1378
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:06,800
supports around the tent standing

1379
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,480
and they lost about six hundred dollars

1380
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,599
worth of uh camping equipment and other

1381
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960
equipment

1382
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:16,960
uh and

1383
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,640
where the object was taking off uh 300

1384
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,400
feet away

1385
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:25,680
they as it was ascending

1386
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:29,520
uh the top of a 15 foot high tree

1387
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,200
between the witnesses and the object was

1388
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:35,599
on fire the top uh

1389
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,359
foot or two of this tree was burning

1390
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,440
and it was in line with

1391
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:43,280
uh the point where the object had been

1392
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,799
on the ground

1393
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,720
and uh our

1394
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,880
consideration after talking to the

1395
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,119
witness and and getting the negatives

1396
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,640
and so on

1397
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,480
was that

1398
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,750
popped out with a

1399
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,079
sort of laser-like

1400
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:03,760
beam

1401
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,720
with very extreme heat caught the top of

1402
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,280
the tree on fire and then

1403
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:11,440
totally burned up the

1404
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,720
it actually melted a lot of the aluminum

1405
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,240
cuts

1406
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:18,000
and

1407
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:26,880
now that was about you say about four

1408
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,280
years after socorro yeah it was in 1968

1409
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:32,720
and uh

1410
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,760
i turned over some of the cases that i

1411
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:37,920
had been investigating

1412
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,280
to alan and a couple of weeks later he

1413
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:43,920
called me from northwestern

1414
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,119
university and asked the wife and i had

1415
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:49,839
come up for a couple of days

1416
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,599
and uh valet was there and fred beckman

1417
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,760
and bill powers

1418
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,200
and uh

1419
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,079
after a couple days of visiting and

1420
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:03,280
talking a lot alan asked me to join

1421
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,559
what he called the invisible college

1422
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,480
and

1423
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,200
then later suggested

1424
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:12,559
that i

1425
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,359
might specialize in physical evidence

1426
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,880
cases and uh in landing events and you

1427
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:20,640
were hooked

1428
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,400
absolutely absolutely now you you you've

1429
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,799
had thousands of cases uh that you've

1430
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,880
dug up soil do you have samples of these

1431
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,839
soils all over your house

1432
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,640
well i don't really have a lot of those

1433
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,440
left we've used the things up trying to

1434
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:39,280
get them analyzed

1435
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,160
and

1436
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,119
the rest of any any residue that was

1437
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:44,559
left

1438
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,549
what did you come up with when you

1439
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,000
analyzed it

1440
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,040
well various things unfortunately we

1441
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,839
could never get

1442
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,599
funding

1443
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:02,640
to be able to pay for the very

1444
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,319
sophisticated uh analysis that was

1445
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,760
required

1446
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,559
and of course we tried to go through

1447
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:13,520
nasa they would have no part of it

1448
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,319
and

1449
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:16,480
i suspect they probably had plenty of

1450
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,599
their own

1451
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,200
what what was what was the physical

1452
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,960
evidence besides the soil what was the

1453
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,720
physical evidence that you that why you

1454
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,079
were there

1455
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:25,280
um

1456
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,000
well of course it varies with by the

1457
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,109
and uh

1458
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:35,839
i've found it tremendously interesting

1459
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:38,839
when i was getting up into thousands of

1460
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:42,319
cases looking statistically

1461
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:45,440
at the types of objects and the kind of

1462
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,400
effects you'd find

1463
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,480
at the landing site

1464
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,119
i actually

1465
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,040
before i would know anything at all

1466
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,119
about what kind of evidence was left

1467
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,960
behind or generated by the device

1468
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,160
um

1469
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,960
just based on the description of the

1470
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:06,160
object

1471
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,079
uh i had a really good idea of uh

1472
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,990
they were that repeatable

1473
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:17,839
and uh

1474
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,680
for example in 1973

1475
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,599
which was the top

1476
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:24,720
year

1477
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:29,440
ever for landing cases with traces

1478
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:33,839
we were getting on the average in 1973

1479
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,000
a landing multiple witnesses close range

1480
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:40,880
and good physical evidence

1481
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,240
on the order of one landing every 36

1482
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:46,319
hours what do you call good physical

1483
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:47,680
evidence

1484
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,400
can't explain

1485
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,400
is it is it is it physical evidence or

1486
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,720
is it something you can't explain

1487
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,920
well it's it is physical evidence

1488
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,880
and you can uh you can go and like it

1489
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,559
socorro and there have been many many

1490
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,200
cases where

1491
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,520
the objects would either land on a

1492
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:11,040
tripod

1493
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:12,400
landing gear

1494
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,280
or

1495
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:14,880
as in squirrel

1496
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:15,760
a

1497
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,839
four

1498
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:19,359
legged device

1499
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:20,559
and

1500
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,200
you would find

1501
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:26,240
indentations in the ground

1502
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,870
compression analysis on those

1503
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,760
to determine the weight of the object

1504
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:39,200
and

1505
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:44,960
depending again on the type

1506
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,440
from about 8 tons to 14 tons

1507
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,440
so we're not talking about ghosts and

1508
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,000
goblins we're talking about something

1509
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:57,599
physical with a lot of mass

1510
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:58,839
and

1511
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:01,040
the structure

1512
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,200
uh indicated by the indian patients

1513
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,960
it was clear that

1514
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,599
these foot pads

1515
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:10,559
were

1516
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,559
construction constructed in nature

1517
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,720
because again you would have

1518
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:18,559
the typical

1519
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,920
four-legged

1520
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,480
foot pad

1521
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,559
would give you an indentation about

1522
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:27,359
eight by ten inches

1523
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,920
with a sort of uh wedging in at the base

1524
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:34,640
uh in other words it wasn't just a piece

1525
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,160
of pipe shoved in the ground it was and

1526
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,119
bill powers did um

1527
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,799
some

1528
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:45,359
research into the

1529
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,160
distribution of the pads the angular

1530
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
configurations of the indentations

1531
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,280
and so on and

1532
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:55,839
actually was able to determine

1533
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,319
that it was a rather sophisticated

1534
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,280
landing setup in that

1535
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,799
the disposition of the four pads

1536
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,280
relative to each other

1537
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,079
was such that it would maintain the

1538
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:12,319
object you know i did want to get back

1539
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:16,640
to uh socorro for just a few uh moments

1540
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,280
um how how long did you have the

1541
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,880
opportunity to speak with the lani

1542
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,599
zamora the police officer there well at

1543
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,480
uh on the first occasion i was fortunate

1544
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:28,960
enough to uh to get to visit with him

1545
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:34,000
three times over uh quite a long period

1546
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,359
of years

1547
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,040
and uh

1548
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,359
on the first occasion

1549
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,400
uh

1550
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:43,280
we talked his best i can remember

1551
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,960
probably 30 minutes and uh

1552
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,640
as i said

1553
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:51,359
you really had to drag information out

1554
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:52,559
of him he

1555
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:56,160
was uncomfortable talking about it

1556
01:02:01,750 --> 01:02:00,720
and again was a rather shy individual

1557
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:01,760
and

1558
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,920
i remember alan was so impressed with

1559
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,599
zamora

1560
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,480
that it uh really kind of nudged him

1561
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,079
over into

1562
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:21,359
believing this stuff was real

1563
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,640
he was pretty skeptical for a long while

1564
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,240
one of the controversial things about

1565
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,680
that case of course

1566
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:31,200
was zamora's uh claim that he had

1567
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:32,319
actually

1568
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,520
uh

1569
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,400
seen

1570
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,480
uh several uh occupants i believe two

1571
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:38,880
occupants outside of the craft can you

1572
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,039
tell us what he told you about that

1573
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,799
because i think that's a little known

1574
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,119
aspect of the subject and also how about

1575
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:48,079
the strange markings on the hull of the

1576
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:48,960
ship

1577
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,549
what he described to me and

1578
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:59,280
later alan and i talked about that case

1579
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,559
a lot

1580
01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:02,640
was two small

1581
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,319
uh

1582
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,920
humanoids

1583
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,760
and they were uh

1584
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,160
based on they were standing

1585
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,359
near a uh a tall bush

1586
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,280
relatively tall bush

1587
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,599
and later

1588
01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:19,599
based on the

1589
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,119
their height

1590
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:23,599
in relation to the bush it determined

1591
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:24,880
that

1592
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:29,119
four feet tall

1593
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,839
appeared to be relatively thin they were

1594
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,000
in a uh we're wearing

1595
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,440
a coverall white coverall type

1596
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,039
clothing

1597
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:41,119
and they seem to be

1598
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:42,880
muddling around with something

1599
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:45,280
underneath the object

1600
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:47,359
and uh

1601
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:48,720
he

1602
01:03:56,829 --> 01:03:55,599
with a hammer or what

1603
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:56,839
um

1604
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,280
and that was about it you know he uh

1605
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:04,079
he saw them just briefly and they went

1606
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:05,280
around

1607
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:08,960
to the uh underneath on out of view

1608
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:12,480
from his location he was up on

1609
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:16,160
oh i forget now but it was probably 100

1610
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:19,760
feet higher elevation looking down

1611
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,760
at the landing site

1612
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:23,599
and

1613
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,119
evidently they

1614
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,920
went into the object and

1615
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,440
it takes off

1616
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,680
and there were

1617
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:33,440
actually

1618
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:36,720
i think stanford

1619
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:39,760
took some photographs

1620
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:45,510
i

1621
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:52,960
to try to get

1622
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,240
analysis information on

1623
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:57,839
uh

1624
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,480
the the burned bushes

1625
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:01,760
the temperature

1626
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:04,640
at which they had been burned and

1627
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:05,520
uh

1628
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,079
weight of the object by the

1629
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,119
the foot pads and so on which i couldn't

1630
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:15,760
make myself because

1631
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:18,799
uh the air force had that thing tied up

1632
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:19,920
i

1633
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,200
well that was

1634
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,359
was quintonella in charge of the

1635
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:38,240
investigation for the air force yes

1636
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,039
yeah

1637
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,680
and the interesting thing was of course

1638
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:43,599
allen was the chief scientific

1639
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,039
consultant to

1640
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,799
the air force

1641
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,520
and they wouldn't give him a damn piece

1642
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,200
of evidence

1643
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,280
uh analysis

1644
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:55,520
temperatures anything

1645
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:56,880
and uh

1646
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,440
couldn't get it

1647
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,039
absolutely

1648
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,280
what what is the uh as far as project

1649
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,000
blue book is concerned what is the uh

1650
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:10,720
conclusion on this case is it listed as

1651
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,760
unidentified yes it is

1652
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,079
yes yes did they ever release any

1653
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,079
information on the soil samples or any

1654
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,160
of that data that you were looking for

1655
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,720
uh not that i've been able to get my

1656
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,799
hands on no

1657
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:26,559
no

1658
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:31,440
okay how you mentioned that okay these

1659
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,200
uh these occupants were about what four

1660
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:35,200
feet tall yes

1661
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,280
all right how how tall was the craft

1662
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:41,440
ah

1663
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,839
i'm thinking it was about 18 or 20 feet

1664
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:51,280
long

1665
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,160
uh it wasn't an enormous object

1666
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,920
and uh

1667
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:57,440
six

1668
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,839
seven feet

1669
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,119
thick and

1670
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:02,559
vertically

1671
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,760
and it was on he could see definitely

1672
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:07,280
four

1673
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:10,880
structured by that i mean constructed

1674
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,799
in appearance uh landing legs

1675
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,400
and um

1676
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:17,920
then the

1677
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,760
marking on the side

1678
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:21,839
yes um

1679
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:26,400
one of the the things that impressed me

1680
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,440
was

1681
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,640
uh just a matter of hours before pearl

1682
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,799
became known publicly

1683
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:34,640
uh there was a

1684
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,760
sighting of an identical object leaving

1685
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:39,440
identical

1686
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,559
uh landing traces at la madera new

1687
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:43,920
mexico

1688
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:47,760
which was i'm thinking

1689
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:51,280
60 80 miles from squirrel

1690
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,079
and

1691
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:54,400
it was a single witness

1692
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,400
and uh uh he went outside

1693
01:08:01,589 --> 01:08:00,559
to smoke a cigarette and this thing i

1694
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:01,599
mean he was

1695
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,359
lamadara a very tiny little place

1696
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:07,599
and he lived right out at the edge of

1697
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:10,799
the of this small town and i'm talking

1698
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:14,240
like five or six buildings that was it

1699
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,680
and uh

1700
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,920
i went out there but it was a long time

1701
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,080
after it had happened

1702
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:22,400
uh several years

1703
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:23,839
and uh

1704
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,440
from everything that i saw everything

1705
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,159
that allen could get on that case

1706
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:34,480
uh as a matter of fact i think if i

1707
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,040
remember him correctly alan went to la

1708
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:38,880
madera

1709
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,920
from sakura at the time all this was

1710
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,279
going on

1711
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,440
and uh

1712
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,759
it was amazing how similar the two

1713
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:49,359
objects were

1714
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,600
and then a and i identical object was

1715
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:56,000
seen for a third time

1716
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,199
up in the uh in a northwestern state i

1717
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,279
forget which one

1718
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,239
uh by multiple witnesses three three

1719
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:06,719
witnesses now wasn't there

1720
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:09,839
also a report that uh at around the same

1721
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:12,400
time someone who had stopped for

1722
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,759
uh gas nearby or a couple miles away has

1723
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,560
seen this object shoot overhead

1724
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,199
yes absolutely yeah there were a couple

1725
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,799
of guys

1726
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,080
that i met

1727
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:26,799
oh many years afterwards

1728
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,159
um

1729
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:30,080
from iowa

1730
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,440
who were driving along the highway

1731
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,480
over which the object flew as it was

1732
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,759
leaving

1733
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:39,759
and

1734
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,400
then there was an a

1735
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:44,560
a large automobile

1736
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:48,960
stanford talks about in his book

1737
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:52,080
which was a family

1738
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:55,679
a guy's wife and two or three kids

1739
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,520
and the thing came over going into the

1740
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,960
landing site

1741
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:03,280
in a descending mode

1742
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,400
and

1743
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:06,159
they thought it was going to take off

1744
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,120
the uh antenna on the car it was that

1745
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:10,560
low

1746
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,760
and they they watched it go on down

1747
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,960
uh below the uh

1748
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,480
the ground level

1749
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,120
uh because it landed down in a sort of

1750
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,719
gully

1751
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,320
and uh

1752
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,840
it disappeared

1753
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,400
from their view as it went down

1754
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,280
can i can i ask a question yeah

1755
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,480
so so all this time since these early

1756
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,199
sightings you've been chasing chasing

1757
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,360
and did you come to any conclusions i

1758
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,440
mean did what why did it affect you so

1759
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:43,520
much that you've been

1760
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,239
investigating it all this time

1761
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:49,199
well uh

1762
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:50,080
i

1763
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:51,040
actually

1764
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:51,840
uh

1765
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,360
alan heineck and i were very very close

1766
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,280
and

1767
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,239
he suggested that i go after the trace

1768
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,880
cases in 68

1769
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,320
and

1770
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,719
after he passed away i was even more

1771
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:09,600
determined to carry that on because he

1772
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:12,800
felt that was so important and what

1773
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:15,600
better case can you have

1774
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,400
than

1775
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,360
opal witnesses daylight an object 20

1776
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,080
feet away sitting on the ground

1777
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:24,320
uh and leaving behind

1778
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,600
measurable traces yeah it doesn't really

1779
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,360
get any better than that what do you

1780
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,640
what do you what are you hoping to

1781
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,960
ultimately uh prove with the trace i

1782
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,040
mean what what do you think the message

1783
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,520
is what do you think is going on

1784
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,840
well one thing one thing that became

1785
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,199
apparent

1786
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,679
to alan and i and we pursued it with

1787
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:46,080
texas a m

1788
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,760
university uh in 69

1789
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:51,120
was

1790
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:56,960
a landing up in van horn iowa in 1969

1791
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:59,520
and alan and fred beckman and i went up

1792
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:00,880
there and

1793
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,159
incredible thing uh

1794
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:05,440
a farm

1795
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,560
isolated middle of nowhere and at about

1796
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,280
11 o'clock at night the

1797
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,199
teenage daughter

1798
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,080
sees what she describes as a flying

1799
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,080
saucer a disc

1800
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,679
uh coming over the farmhouse and going

1801
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,040
down

1802
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,920
uh very close to the ground in a soybean

1803
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:27,280
field

1804
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,520
and uh she ran down told her parents and

1805
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:33,120
they looked out they couldn't see

1806
01:12:38,390 --> 01:12:36,320
anything and he wasn't about to go out

1807
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,400
in the soybean field at night with

1808
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,560
something maybe out there

1809
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,600
so the next morning at first light

1810
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:46,320
he and his wife head out and they find a

1811
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:48,080
40 foot

1812
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:52,000
diameter perfectly circular area

1813
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:53,280
in which

1814
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:56,480
very very healthy soybeans

1815
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:58,239
soybean plants

1816
01:13:02,790 --> 01:12:59,920
were wilted

1817
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:02,800
and dehydrated the respect of all

1818
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:06,159
moisture as was the soil

1819
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,040
and

1820
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,480
at that time texas a m

1821
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,520
we had a kind of a clue alan and i

1822
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,080
wouldn't could have caused that

1823
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,320
and uh

1824
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,199
the texas a m were doing a lot of work

1825
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:23,520
with microwaves

1826
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,719
and uh so we confronted them with this

1827
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:29,520
send them photographs of the uh

1828
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,920
the site and so on and uh

1829
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:36,159
they said yes you could

1830
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,800
in effect microwave

1831
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:41,120
if you if you at that time they were

1832
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:44,000
saying if you had a 40-foot circular

1833
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,679
microwave oven

1834
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:47,600
kicked the door open hung it from a

1835
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:48,560
crane

1836
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,520
you could replicate this effect

1837
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,080
yeah and uh and of course what we were

1838
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,040
getting in a lot of the very close cases

1839
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,320
very uh

1840
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,280
high type high strangeness cases

1841
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:06,560
uh were the automobile effects uh

1842
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,760
indicating electromagnetic effects

1843
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:12,320
that shut down automobile engines

1844
01:14:21,870 --> 01:14:16,080
headlights was the radioactivity

1845
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,470
electromagnetic pulses

1846
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:29,830
of course i investigated the case up in

1847
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,960
minnesota where the police officer

1848
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,320
uh

1849
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,040
his car was hit by something

1850
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,199
i don't think it was physically hit but

1851
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:41,040
it was impacted

1852
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,120
uh by

1853
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:46,000
some high frequency stuff

1854
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,760
and uh

1855
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:49,760
busted the windshield

1856
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,800
busted the uh blew the headlight out

1857
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,960
and did all kinds of damage the length

1858
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,640
of the car

1859
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,600
and

1860
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,719
he was

1861
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,040
unconscious for

1862
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:04,320
14 minutes and his wrist watch and the

1863
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,000
automobile clock

1864
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:09,120
were both 14 minutes slow

1865
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:13,199
uh following the event and

1866
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:16,480
so but we were getting so much of that

1867
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:17,840
indicating

1868
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,800
uh

1869
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:19,920
that

1870
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,440
microwave type energy was

1871
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,960
being admitted

1872
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,520
or projected

1873
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,920
by some of these objects

1874
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:32,000
and

1875
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:35,760
i've experienced a lot of that in

1876
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,719
cases in the marley woods where i

1877
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,880
actually have been it that's the only

1878
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,960
place that i have actually been able to

1879
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,080
see

1880
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,719
what i believe to be a ufo

1881
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,960
is in marley

1882
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:50,400
well you know ted

1883
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,000
they're probably um

1884
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:54,640
a few listeners who are not familiar

1885
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,520
with

1886
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,199
your investigation of marley woods i

1887
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:58,800
would say probably the vast majority

1888
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,040
might be but let's take it back to

1889
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,440
beginning exactly what is going on in

1890
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,000
marley woods and how long have you been

1891
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,080
investigating this case i know you were

1892
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,120
down there uh just uh recently when we

1893
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,280
uh reestablished a contact for several

1894
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,159
days was there activity at that point oh

1895
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:18,320
yeah yeah and uh

1896
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:21,440
as it would work out um

1897
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:22,719
the uh

1898
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:25,280
let's see that was january

1899
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:27,040
28

1900
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:28,000
um

1901
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:29,520
was

1902
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:32,159
the last evening in a

1903
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,280
six

1904
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,120
consecutive night

1905
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,040
observation

1906
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,360
uh and it's it's got kind of an

1907
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,360
interesting twist

1908
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:43,360
in that

1909
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,149
has a very very close friend

1910
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,400
a young lady uh

1911
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,040
27 years old

1912
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,360
and she and her husband live way out in

1913
01:17:03,510 --> 01:16:59,120
the boonies

1914
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,520
out just outside of the marly woods area

1915
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,040
primary area

1916
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,880
and

1917
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,480
so

1918
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,600
she had just had a baby and

1919
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,679
she would go into this one particular

1920
01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:16,080
room in their farmhouse

1921
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,960
and breastfeed the baby

1922
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,880
and

1923
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:22,960
so she's sitting there in the rocking

1924
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:24,000
chair

1925
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:25,920
in front of the window

1926
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,520
she doesn't worry about anybody looking

1927
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,719
in because there's nobody to look and

1928
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,280
she sees a

1929
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,040
small light ball

1930
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:38,320
about the size of the size of a baseball

1931
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,840
and it was

1932
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:41,679
pure white with the

1933
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,080
bluish tinge around the edge coming

1934
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:46,560
across the field towards the house and

1935
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,120
it actually comes up within a couple of

1936
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:51,520
feet of the window and it just

1937
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,920
is stationary there like it's watching

1938
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,880
her breastfeed this baby and

1939
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,199
she becomes a little frightened and she

1940
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,360
gets up and it moves back out in the

1941
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:04,320
field goes vertical and disappears well

1942
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,199
this happens sixth straight night and of

1943
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,360
course from the second one on her

1944
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,199
husband's in there with her

1945
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:12,960
so they both see it

1946
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,480
and each night he would go outside

1947
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:18,640
go around the side of the house and see

1948
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:21,360
this thing from the side

1949
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,800
and uh it was about four four and a half

1950
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,560
feet above the ground

1951
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:28,239
and a couple of three feet from the

1952
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,360
window

1953
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,760
and as soon as he would uh kind of

1954
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,480
confront it by coming around the house

1955
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,719
uh the thing would shoot across field

1956
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:38,640
and go vertical and disappear

1957
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:42,320
so that's that's a light bulb case

1958
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,360
uh

1959
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:45,440
with a twist

1960
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,199
how long have you been investigating uh

1961
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,199
marley wooden

1962
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,480
what brought you i mean how did you

1963
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,320
first hear about it how were you clued

1964
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,880
into what was going on and maybe tell us

1965
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,800
a little bit about the the the setting i

1966
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,280
know it's a rural area how far away is

1967
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,280
it from the nearest the city how many

1968
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,640
people have observed this over the

1969
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:05,040
course of how many years

1970
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,000
okay i uh i received in

1971
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,800
1998

1972
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:13,360
a phone call from a

1973
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:20,149
who has 600 acres right in the middle of

1974
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:22,960
marley but has turned

1975
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,679
out to be the primary

1976
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,960
areas of activities or three farms

1977
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,280
ranging from north to south

1978
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,960
his is the north

1979
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:34,080
farm

1980
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,040
and

1981
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:37,520
he has 600 acres

1982
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,280
uh site 2 has

1983
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,600
only about 5 acres

1984
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:46,239
and then site 3

1985
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:49,440
uh about 2 000 acres

1986
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:50,560
and that

1987
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:55,840
primary things happen outside of that

1988
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,000
obviously occasionally but the

1989
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,440
heavy-duty activity uh is over those

1990
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:03,440
three uh farms

1991
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,120
and so anyway it was in 1998 he called

1992
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:08,719
me said we

1993
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,679
he had had me checked out by uh one of

1994
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,760
the bank's security uh

1995
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:15,440
agencies

1996
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,880
and uh to be sure i eliminated and

1997
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,120
evidently they didn't look close enough

1998
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,430
they uh

1999
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,840
got away with that one anyway

2000
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,520
they uh uh

2001
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:31,679
he wanted me to come down

2002
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:35,040
he had gone into town this guy is no

2003
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:37,760
photographer not to this day

2004
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,520
and uh

2005
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:42,000
he had gone in and bought

2006
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,679
a uh kind of cheesy video camera

2007
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:47,600
and

2008
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,159
i've been shooting videos of this stuff

2009
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,600
going on

2010
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:53,920
and he said would you please come down

2011
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,000
and see if you can tell me what's

2012
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,600
happening

2013
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,199
and

2014
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,040
almost all the events from the very

2015
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,440
beginning were multiple witness

2016
01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:05,120
two to four

2017
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,280
uh and later on like 30 35 people

2018
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:11,920
would gather out there at his farm

2019
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,950
so

2020
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,520
all kinds of activity and

2021
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:24,480
initially they saw a

2022
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,320
oval

2023
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,000
structured object uh hovering about 20

2024
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,080
feet above a hilltop

2025
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,719
as they were driving to the farm

2026
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,639
and it had uh

2027
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,880
the surface of this thing the side of

2028
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:40,320
the bottom

2029
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,120
was

2030
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:43,280
just covered with tiny little white

2031
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,400
lights

2032
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,560
but it also had three

2033
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,320
large uh

2034
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:50,239
circular lights

2035
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:53,520
which were orange in color amber color

2036
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,080
and it was stationary he got out with

2037
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:58,080
truck and his wife got out and they

2038
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:59,360
watched it

2039
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,280
down the road from them

2040
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:03,600
got back in drove down

2041
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,320
and stopped right beside it it was

2042
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,719
sitting just off the road

2043
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,040
and uh

2044
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,199
got out of the uh as he opened the door

2045
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,239
to get out the thing just disappeared

2046
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,400
just black

2047
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:20,719
and uh

2048
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,520
so

2049
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:23,920
they continued on a quarter mile to the

2050
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,040
farm

2051
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,280
as they turned in the

2052
01:22:31,750 --> 01:22:28,800
front gate

2053
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,760
it's a quarter mile up to an old old

2054
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,360
cabin

2055
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,440
that his parents

2056
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:37,679
lived in years ago

2057
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:38,560
and

2058
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,239
over the cabin they saw this same object

2059
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,960
and as they're driving up closer to the

2060
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:47,520
cabin it started moving away over a tree

2061
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,639
line

2062
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,560
and

2063
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,440
it was visible for oh quite a long quite

2064
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:56,080
a long while and they called their son

2065
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,880
and daughter they drove out immediately

2066
01:23:03,510 --> 01:22:59,920
and

2067
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:03,520
uh they saw small lights uh three feet

2068
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,480
above the ground coming up the hill

2069
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:09,920
they saw a just in this one night

2070
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:13,360
a large area with a faint

2071
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,760
spotlight sort of illumination in the

2072
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,960
field

2073
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,800
kind of moving around

2074
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,600
but no beam and no uh

2075
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:23,120
sores

2076
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,639
could be seen

2077
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,239
and

2078
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,600
but

2079
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:30,080
just about everything has happened there

2080
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:31,040
i have

2081
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:33,840
on file uh now

2082
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,800
almost 1200 cases

2083
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,480
uh

2084
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,800
since 1998

2085
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:42,320
and

2086
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:45,679
they've had vehicles pushed

2087
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,800
12 15 feet down a driveway a gravel

2088
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:50,960
driveway with the uh

2089
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,320
the doors locked the windows up no motor

2090
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,000
in the truck

2091
01:24:02,870 --> 01:23:59,040
and the wheels locked up in deep grooves

2092
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:02,880
where it was the wheels didn't roll

2093
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:06,000
uh the gals down the track

2094
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:10,880
and uh pushed it into uh a garage

2095
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,679
door and busted a big hole in it

2096
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,320
and five of us tried to move that truck

2097
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:19,040
and we couldn't budge in an inch

2098
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,320
and uh

2099
01:24:24,629 --> 01:24:22,239
uh

2100
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:24,639
you if you can imagine it it's pretty

2101
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:27,679
well taken place in the marly woods

2102
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,800
uh it's it's an incredible place

2103
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:32,880
it's true well now you you talk you talk

2104
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:35,440
about lights are we talking about

2105
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,639
something with any dimension to it or

2106
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,440
is it a physical object or objects are

2107
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,600
there are there more than have more than

2108
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,000
one being seen at the same time

2109
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:49,280
oh yes yeah yeah uh as a matter of fact

2110
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:50,159
uh

2111
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,960
one

2112
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:52,800
prominent evening

2113
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:53,760
uh

2114
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,199
the wife and i were there we had

2115
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,920
nine cameras set up

2116
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:01,520
and

2117
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,960
the uh

2118
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,440
some of the bankers lawyers other

2119
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,760
farmers and so on

2120
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,600
had heard that we were coming down that

2121
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:11,120
particular night and they wanted to

2122
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,159
visit with us about what they had seen

2123
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,239
and and by the way you asked how many

2124
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,800
people have seen these that's just under

2125
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:20,239
300

2126
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,400
and this is a very remote remote area

2127
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:26,639
and uh

2128
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:29,280
but anyway we have all these cameras set

2129
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:30,080
up

2130
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,880
and

2131
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,199
almost 40 people

2132
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:35,520
a lot of witnesses and

2133
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,199
eight of these amber objects which

2134
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,550
kind of

2135
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,159
vertically

2136
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,840
longer than they are horizontally wide

2137
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,080
so they're slightly oval

2138
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,600
it's the weirdest color of orange yellow

2139
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,400
that you can ever imagine

2140
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,840
and uh

2141
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,920
three of them came on

2142
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,880
five more and they were all in a perfect

2143
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:06,639
line

2144
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,239
and then they would change the formation

2145
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:12,159
configurations

2146
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:15,440
to triangular to

2147
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:21,030
and

2148
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,840
no sound whatsoever so it's a hot spot

2149
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:25,840
there

2150
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,400
yeah oh absolutely it is yeah what do

2151
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,719
you suppose that is

2152
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:33,120
well i don't know i've looked at every

2153
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,800
uh angle i can think of and

2154
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,280
there's just no reason it's like any

2155
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:41,440
other piece of land

2156
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,070
i don't know i

2157
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:48,320
i can't i've tried to come up with a

2158
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:49,679
reason

2159
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,800
that they that this might be going on

2160
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:55,679
but uh these things are under

2161
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:57,520
intelligent control and they're

2162
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:58,560
definitely

2163
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,950
and

2164
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,239
they i

2165
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:08,480
actually have seen i'm i'm totally

2166
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,320
fascinated by these smaller

2167
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:14,400
baseball-sized light balls

2168
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:15,600
and

2169
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:19,679
uh a family of four shot two of these

2170
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:23,040
things these were basketball size

2171
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:26,880
shot 15 minutes of video

2172
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:29,760
there were em effects or all kinds of

2173
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:34,080
things going on and it's the best video

2174
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:37,120
i've ever seen of uh of these light

2175
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:38,239
bulbs

2176
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:39,280
and

2177
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,719
you can actually see the things

2178
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:44,960
they're very close together

2179
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:48,080
sometimes uh they seem to be uh

2180
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,600
connected by a

2181
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,760
kind of veil

2182
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,199
uh

2183
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,280
then they're totally separate they don't

2184
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:57,440
get a great distance part

2185
01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:58,840
and

2186
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:01,199
the um

2187
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:04,719
it's like looking into a circular

2188
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:06,080
cloud

2189
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:07,280
in that

2190
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:13,679
object is changing it's very active very

2191
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,639
fluid

2192
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:16,560
and you can see it very clearly on the

2193
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:17,520
video

2194
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:20,480
now are all the are all the sightings at

2195
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,840
night

2196
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,639
oh no no no no they've been uh

2197
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:27,520
matter of fact i got a a pretty good

2198
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,790
and there have been

2199
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,320
one afternoon

2200
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,840
let's see it was

2201
01:28:43,669 --> 01:28:39,520
12 people

2202
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,679
at site one saw

2203
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:46,800
two objects flying dark this shaped

2204
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,480
objects flying perfectly clear blue sky

2205
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:52,159
to the west

2206
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:54,880
one slightly above and behind the other

2207
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:58,800
no sound and they videotaped all of this

2208
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,360
and they're moving uh

2209
01:29:07,750 --> 01:29:04,480
to the west at a pretty good clip

2210
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:07,760
and without hesitation the upper object

2211
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:10,719
reverses direction and i've looked at

2212
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:13,280
this frame by frame and i mean

2213
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,040
in a 30th of a second it's reversed

2214
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,800
and it's climbing

2215
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,159
and

2216
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,480
that in itself

2217
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:25,360
eliminates a lot of things

2218
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,719
and uh

2219
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:27,920
but

2220
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,639
uh it continues to go on you know and

2221
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:33,440
it's very much like uh i would compare

2222
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,800
it i have heard it to uh skinwalker

2223
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,560
in utah

2224
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:40,320
and uh

2225
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,120
bob bigelow and i had

2226
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,920
a several hour discussion

2227
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:48,239
a conversation

2228
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,719
comparing the two and it's it's pretty

2229
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,400
amazing

2230
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:53,760
now there are

2231
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,080
other places though there where these

2232
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,400
manifestations have taken place i mean

2233
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:00,880
this one is unique in that it is uh how

2234
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,800
often would you say that it can be

2235
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,080
observed are we talking about every

2236
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:06,719
night three times a week once a month

2237
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:07,920
uh

2238
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:10,080
i could pretty well guarantee if you

2239
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:11,520
were there

2240
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,880
three nights in a row you would have

2241
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:16,719
at least one

2242
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:19,040
period of activity

2243
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,440
and in some cases uh night after night

2244
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:25,440
and well the light bulbs tend to come

2245
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:28,719
back and the the really cool thing

2246
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:32,000
uh in the light bulb cases these small

2247
01:30:36,229 --> 01:30:33,440
light bulbs

2248
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:36,239
uh is that they

2249
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,960
seem to be quite curious or actually

2250
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,639
instead of trying to

2251
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:42,639
not be seen they will actually come in

2252
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:45,920
if an auto automobile pulls in

2253
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:48,639
uh one of the cemeteries

2254
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:49,679
um

2255
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,800
in many instances these things will just

2256
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:54,080
come in

2257
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,679
really quick and they'll hover and

2258
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,960
they'll move around can i ask you a

2259
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,080
question

2260
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,719
yes if you hold your hand out

2261
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,800
and put up your your hand if you if you

2262
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,639
hold your arm out put up your hand it's

2263
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,320
the size of a pinky

2264
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:08,719
pinky nail

2265
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:10,239
eyes what

2266
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,480
of a pinky nail

2267
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,800
oh no no no no no no

2268
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:16,880
i've seen these ten feet away and

2269
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:18,400
they're not

2270
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:19,840
wasn't carolyn just saying something

2271
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:23,440
about these these these balls

2272
01:31:26,310 --> 01:31:25,120
these light balls

2273
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,320
tim

2274
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:28,880
huh i'm sorry i didn't ask us just say

2275
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:31,040
something about the light bulbs as well

2276
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,800
a light bulb experience well yeah but

2277
01:31:35,830 --> 01:31:34,080
they're they're all different they're

2278
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,840
all different sizes what what is the

2279
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,520
largest one that uh that you've

2280
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:38,960
approached

2281
01:31:41,910 --> 01:31:39,840
uh

2282
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:41,920
well i didn't see this one but the

2283
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:43,520
largest one

2284
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:45,679
very near the ground

2285
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:47,040
uh

2286
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,159
feet in diameter

2287
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:55,120
which is is exceptionally large that's

2288
01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:55,920
pretty big

2289
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,000
well now what what do you make out of

2290
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:00,560
all this obviously these are

2291
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:01,520
not

2292
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,639
spacecraft i mean there doesn't seem

2293
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:06,320
that you say you say they're under

2294
01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,880
intelligent control but it doesn't sound

2295
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:11,040
like there's somebody inside steering

2296
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:12,800
this thing around

2297
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:13,600
uh

2298
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:16,800
not unless you're really small

2299
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:23,110
i think i think the baseball size

2300
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:26,480
devices are

2301
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:28,719
probes of some sort

2302
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:31,520
now for what i have no idea

2303
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,239
uh valet was there

2304
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,030
spent a good bit of time and

2305
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:42,880
i thought it was interesting he made the

2306
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:45,760
comment as he was getting ready to leave

2307
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:49,280
to fly back to california

2308
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:51,679
he said because he'd been reading a lot

2309
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:53,520
of my reports

2310
01:32:57,189 --> 01:32:56,080
and uh and we have been talking a lot

2311
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:57,199
and

2312
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:58,800
uh he said

2313
01:33:03,510 --> 01:32:59,840
ted

2314
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:03,520
i believe that a human presence

2315
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,719
is necessary for these things

2316
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:08,880
and uh

2317
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:11,360
i i tend to agree

2318
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:15,600
with that in that they seem to be

2319
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:16,960
curious

2320
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:20,080
about uh automobiles people

2321
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,520
and so on

2322
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,600
and uh

2323
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:25,920
i had a human presence

2324
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:26,880
yes

2325
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:27,920
yeah

2326
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,480
well where where are they

2327
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:32,480
no no no no

2328
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:37,520
the objects are curious about human

2329
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:40,080
oh i got you all right guys hit you cut

2330
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:41,280
you off we have a caller on the line

2331
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:42,719
chris brown has joined the uh the

2332
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:44,719
conversation chris brown you're live on

2333
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:47,360
unraveling the secrets hello how are you

2334
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:49,520
doing how's everyone doing tonight how

2335
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,520
are you doing very good

2336
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,760
question yeah i was just calling in you

2337
01:33:58,390 --> 01:33:56,000
know you're talking about the the the

2338
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:58,400
light bulbs on the marley lights and and

2339
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:00,719
the orbs and and uh

2340
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,920
i don't know

2341
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,080
really kind of get too much into to if

2342
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:06,480
you know anything that happened to me

2343
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:09,920
uh but i had a uh and my son had a

2344
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:12,639
close encounter with a light bulb or

2345
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:14,480
six feet away from us

2346
01:34:20,070 --> 01:34:17,280
and we could see perfectly inside of it

2347
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:20,080
and um it's uh

2348
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,400
it was just basically almost what you

2349
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:24,639
were describing there i was on

2350
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:27,199
uh bill and nancy uh show

2351
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:28,639
angel and i did

2352
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:29,679
uh

2353
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:31,920
i guess several months back now and and

2354
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,639
they were talking about about about you

2355
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:36,159
and and your

2356
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:38,800
experiences with the marley lights and

2357
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,480
they had brought up

2358
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:42,320
uh they said well have you ever heard of

2359
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:45,600
ted phillips and uh and about what and

2360
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:47,360
so this was the first time i'd really

2361
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:48,560
heard about

2362
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:50,719
what you had said but but what my son

2363
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:52,000
and i had had

2364
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:55,280
the encounter ted with with the orb uh

2365
01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,440
six feet away from us it was so close uh

2366
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,520
i could have touched it with my hand we

2367
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:01,440
could see we could see perfectly inside

2368
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:03,360
of it and we could see the bubble

2369
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:06,880
around this the glass sphere that uh

2370
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:09,600
with the red liquid inside of it and

2371
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:11,679
what do you think it was

2372
01:35:19,990 --> 01:35:18,070
well as all as i know it was an orb and

2373
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,000
a glass sphere

2374
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,880
that was seemed to be inter controlled

2375
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,119
by it came out of you know i'm kind of

2376
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:27,840
coming in here on my story here of just

2377
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,840
not coming in from from but whatever it

2378
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,440
was control was coming out of these

2379
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,960
discs that were

2380
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:35,199
around um

2381
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,119
around we didn't see them of course just

2382
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,679
the orb but we seen them afterwards and

2383
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:41,119
they were definitely

2384
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:43,119
had to be controlled

2385
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,239
uh from from off of these discs and and

2386
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,960
and were some type of probe my sense and

2387
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:50,880
that these these orbs were actually

2388
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:52,880
actually part of the engines

2389
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,119
uh that were part of these huge lights

2390
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,960
so all these lights attached to some of

2391
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,880
these discs that you see

2392
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,199
and i i i believe that this

2393
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,840
these are taken off from these discs and

2394
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:05,280
kind of doing their own thing maybe

2395
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:08,639
possibly is what it kind of seemed to me

2396
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:11,360
but uh yeah that's what happened so you

2397
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,639
know when i heard about the marley

2398
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,639
lights and and kind of heard about all

2399
01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:16,560
that it really

2400
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,719
you know uh brings back a lot what

2401
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,960
happened to us so well that's really

2402
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:22,320
cool

2403
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:24,719
ted when i first started investigating

2404
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,159
uh ufos

2405
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,960
uh i think you and i and probably almost

2406
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:30,880
everybody else thought that we were

2407
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,840
talking about you know spaceships from

2408
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:35,520
somewhere uh

2409
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:37,679
else kind of just like stanton friedman

2410
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,920
still believes to this day but i think

2411
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:41,280
we've both

2412
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:43,679
at least to some degree uh

2413
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,480
changed our opinion on this over the

2414
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:48,800
years and uh

2415
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,679
uh

2416
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,000
haven't you converted over to the the

2417
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:54,719
side of this being at least partially

2418
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:56,560
paranormal in nature

2419
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,629
i was

2420
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:04,639
jay allen was

2421
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:08,000
quite interested in the paranormal

2422
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,880
uh he didn't talk publicly about it much

2423
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:12,320
but

2424
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,280
he

2425
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,119
did introduce me to

2426
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:17,119
a number of

2427
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:18,560
people

2428
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:22,800
well known in paranormal research and

2429
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,119
i've always had kind of an interest but

2430
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:27,280
i didn't have the time

2431
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,400
to

2432
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,320
veer off from the

2433
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:32,560
ufo stuff

2434
01:37:38,470 --> 01:37:34,800
because i would have

2435
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,480
very good physical trace cases uh an old

2436
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:40,639
farmhouse

2437
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:43,040
and uh

2438
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:45,679
object hovering outside a bedroom window

2439
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:47,360
third floor

2440
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:50,400
and they see a couple of guys inside

2441
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,600
this thing

2442
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:52,960
sort of window

2443
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,159
it leaves physical traces

2444
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:59,119
melts the snow and ice and dehydrates

2445
01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,880
the soil and all that

2446
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:01,760
and

2447
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:02,719
the

2448
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,560
son

2449
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:08,960
as soon as this thing takes off they run

2450
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:11,040
outside the farmhouse

2451
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,119
and they find this spot where it's

2452
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:14,960
melted and so on

2453
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:18,320
and they turn around walk back into the

2454
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:19,760
farmhouse

2455
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:22,800
and dishes and plates and books are

2456
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,920
flying across the room

2457
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:28,080
older guys stuff

2458
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:29,679
and

2459
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:30,560
i

2460
01:39:01,910 --> 01:38:57,520
too

2461
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,920
of the baseball sized light bulb

2462
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,600
seen inside

2463
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:06,239
a house a farmhouse

2464
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:09,920
and at very close range daylight night

2465
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:10,840
time

2466
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,520
whatever and

2467
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:15,679
so my question is

2468
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,520
if you see

2469
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,000
a baseball sized light ball

2470
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,199
10 feet away over a field

2471
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:25,760
four feet above the ground

2472
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:27,600
that's a ufo

2473
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:30,960
what if you see an identical object

2474
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,080
inside a house is that paranormal or is

2475
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:36,239
it ufo

2476
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:37,119
and

2477
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:40,560
i i the line is becoming very thin what

2478
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,280
do you think mr bean

2479
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,760
well now you know the court the caller

2480
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,520
oh chris chris yeah

2481
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:49,920
oh i

2482
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,320
i really don't know you know i it

2483
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:54,719
definitely seems uh it sounds like you

2484
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,320
got shook up from it though i mean how

2485
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,159
did it feel what did you think what do

2486
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:00,960
you think instinctively

2487
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:03,280
instinctively

2488
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,880
i never believed in any alien thing

2489
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,360
before any of my encounters so where

2490
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,040
were you with your son where were you

2491
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,360
exactly in front of my house

2492
01:40:20,070 --> 01:40:17,280
this is the the second encounter that i

2493
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:20,080
had i had the first one 11 days earlier

2494
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:21,199
with the

2495
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:25,119
that thing to come back and

2496
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:26,320
well it did

2497
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,480
and it came back and did all what i

2498
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,960
prayed for it to come and do it

2499
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,960
well except for get a picture

2500
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,880
but uh

2501
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,040
no it did it came back six feet from us

2502
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:38,880
and it and i and this thing was under

2503
01:40:44,470 --> 01:40:42,239
control as angel and i was i talked to

2504
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:44,480
on the show this thing went over

2505
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:46,719
the power uh where they

2506
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,520
maybe it was a summer before that um two

2507
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:51,119
summers before that right in front of

2508
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,719
the house here they tore up the road

2509
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,360
they put new fiber optic cable in

2510
01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,440
and where it was

2511
01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:00,159
what was spinning the orb it was um

2512
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:01,840
spinning backwards while it was going

2513
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,119
forward the outer bubble um around the

2514
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:07,199
sphere the sphere i'd put would be

2515
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:09,199
probably about the size of a beach ball

2516
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:10,960
and that but the outer part it was

2517
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,800
spinning

2518
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:14,159
backwards while it's going forward you

2519
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,159
could see it sucking the power from

2520
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:17,679
underneath the wires from the road i

2521
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,840
mean it was really obvious that it was

2522
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,920
sucking the power and it was using that

2523
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,679
power i know it was

2524
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,760
using that power

2525
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:27,840
to for the for the magnetic bubble

2526
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:29,679
around it so we could be able to see

2527
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:31,840
inside of it because i mean when i tell

2528
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,840
you i could see perfectly inside of as

2529
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:35,280
well as i'm looking at the computer

2530
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,400
right now

2531
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,400
like say i can't get into a to z the

2532
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,800
whole entire story but but it would all

2533
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,880
that really i could just see inside of

2534
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:44,080
it well

2535
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:45,679
chris have you ever been able to have

2536
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,960
you been out with your camera have you

2537
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:49,119
taken pictures of these uh you know at

2538
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,440
least ted has all this video uh footage

2539
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:54,239
which is uh very impressive i've i've

2540
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,280
studied it to some degree uh have you

2541
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,600
had any luck taking pictures or video of

2542
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:01,119
it

2543
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:04,960
guys i just really be honest

2544
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:07,280
it's been so stressful for me that i

2545
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:10,159
don't want to go outside uh i'm scared

2546
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:12,000
that it's going to happen again

2547
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,600
i'm scared that i can't get the memories

2548
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,360
out of my head and i'm consistently

2549
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,440
going to sit there and think about it

2550
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,199
over and over and over and over and over

2551
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:20,400
again

2552
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:21,199
and

2553
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,159
um

2554
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:24,239
and i really just haven't gone out and

2555
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,639
looked out well you seem to give a kind

2556
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:29,440
of a negative connotation to this ted

2557
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,920
what's what's your feeling on this or uh

2558
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,320
do you get negative uh

2559
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:36,400
vibes from this or positive vibes or

2560
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,400
neutral vibes or uh

2561
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,239
i'm kind of a neutral i really it's like

2562
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,080
i'm on the edge of both christian

2563
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,320
poltergeist vibes chris

2564
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:46,400
no i've never encountered a ghost or

2565
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,639
poltergeist or anything in my life

2566
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:49,840
nothing

2567
01:42:54,310 --> 01:42:51,520
ted what do you what do you what do you

2568
01:42:58,629 --> 01:42:54,320
say negative positive neutral

2569
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:58,639
i think uh by and large uh neutral and

2570
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,000
in all of these cases that uh that i've

2571
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:03,679
investigated

2572
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:05,040
um

2573
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:06,880
they have not really

2574
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:11,520
seemed to pose any kind of threat and

2575
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,760
there have been a lot of cases where

2576
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,239
they could have snatched a farmer

2577
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,760
or a farmer and his wife and his dog

2578
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:20,800
and

2579
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,760
they didn't they had the perfect chance

2580
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:25,280
to take them

2581
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:28,639
and uh i have never ran into a case like

2582
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,880
that how do the animals how do the

2583
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:32,800
animals behave

2584
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,679
that's that's something i i am such a

2585
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:38,159
dog lover and i've got two big old guys

2586
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,840
i know there's a photo of you in the

2587
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,320
facebook the big pooch there

2588
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:44,880
yeah boy i love them

2589
01:43:50,629 --> 01:43:47,679
and so i've always paid extra attention

2590
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:50,639
to i have a separate file animal

2591
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:52,719
reaction cases

2592
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,440
and i find it so uh

2593
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,400
typical for dogs because they're so very

2594
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,080
sensitive to

2595
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:02,719
so much more than than we

2596
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:04,239
and

2597
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:05,360
they

2598
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,080
generally

2599
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,199
but they uh become excited that

2600
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,960
something different

2601
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,400
is there

2602
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:18,960
and uh

2603
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,840
you know and very quickly let me let me

2604
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,239
give you a case now this is from marley

2605
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:26,560
and this is a good example

2606
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,639
of what i'm talking about

2607
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:31,440
believing that these are constructed

2608
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:35,440
under intelligent control and so on

2609
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,639
uh two attorneys

2610
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:40,480
uh

2611
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:44,159
guy and his wife and they're down at a

2612
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,880
little cemetery in one of the

2613
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:48,960
marley sections

2614
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,880
and skeptics did not believe in ufos at

2615
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:53,920
all

2616
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,360
and uh

2617
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,080
but they had heard

2618
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,719
that things were being seen and so on

2619
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:02,800
some of their friends

2620
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:03,600
and

2621
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,360
automobile

2622
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:10,159
uh looking not expecting to see anything

2623
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:13,600
and all of a sudden at a tree line

2624
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:17,280
uh several hundred feet to the north

2625
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:20,239
suddenly they see clusters of these

2626
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,520
small

2627
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:23,600
brilliant lights

2628
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:24,719
um

2629
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,080
which turn out to be about baseball size

2630
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:31,600
and they're just kind of playing around

2631
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,040
from the ground to the tops of the trees

2632
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:37,679
up and down around and so on

2633
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:41,040
and they're standing there amazed

2634
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,080
and all of a sudden two of these light

2635
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:46,880
balls break out of the cluster

2636
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:49,920
and come straight at them

2637
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:53,119
and when the two light balls are an

2638
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:56,400
estimated 200 feet from them

2639
01:46:02,070 --> 01:45:59,520
one of the two makes an abrupt right

2640
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,080
angle turn to the east

2641
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,920
and flies into

2642
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,480
trees several hundred feet to the east

2643
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,320
and disappears

2644
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,000
um

2645
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,719
the other the remaining light ball

2646
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:15,199
continues towards them

2647
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:16,159
and

2648
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,440
light ball at shoulder level

2649
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:23,760
passes between

2650
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:24,840
the two

2651
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:27,760
attorneys no sound

2652
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:31,520
no vibrations no heat no cool

2653
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:35,600
nothing no air turbulence no air chains

2654
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:36,719
and

2655
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:41,600
flies solar high between

2656
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:43,040
the two

2657
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:45,840
and they spin around and watch as it

2658
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:47,920
goes across the gravel road

2659
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:52,000
out into a field makes an abrupt uh west

2660
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,760
right angle turn

2661
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:55,360
into trees

2662
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:59,520
and bursts into gazillion pieces

2663
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,639
and

2664
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:03,440
those gazillion pieces just kind of hang

2665
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,560
there and all go back together and form

2666
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:09,040
the bulb whoa

2667
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,320
whoa

2668
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:12,239
pretty spooky

2669
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:17,199
fairies or something

2670
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,960
like fairy ghosts or something like

2671
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:21,119
fairies or something well you know if i

2672
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,880
may interject and and say something

2673
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,199
maybe give you a little hindsight on to

2674
01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:28,080
when the orb uh went by us to give you

2675
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,080
really which in exactly what it was

2676
01:47:35,510 --> 01:47:33,199
happening is is it had the bubble around

2677
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,520
the sphere if i had to put the bubble

2678
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,760
around the sphere the sphere was about

2679
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:39,440
the size of a beach ball

2680
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:42,080
but the whole bubble itself was

2681
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:43,760
probably about

2682
01:47:49,109 --> 01:47:46,000
i'd say five feet by five feet in

2683
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:49,119
diameter and inside of it was all this

2684
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:51,920
golden dust i mean it was

2685
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:53,679
so much golden dust it looked like a

2686
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,000
static tv and now all that

2687
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:59,360
was floating around the sphere

2688
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:00,719
and to me

2689
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,040
it was that stuff

2690
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:04,639
that was making

2691
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:06,080
that thing

2692
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:09,520
spin so just when you said well then it

2693
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,440
went and it went into a

2694
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,080
bunch of different pieces

2695
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:17,040
there was major amounts of dust floating

2696
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:19,040
inside of that orb there was so much

2697
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,119
dust floating inside that orb

2698
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,280
i just couldn't tell you how much so now

2699
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,719
you're afraid to go back out again

2700
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,239
because you're well i'm getting better

2701
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,280
i'm getting better i'm getting better

2702
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:31,119
i'm just saying it's a giant orb i don't

2703
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,480
know i don't even know what how that

2704
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:34,639
would register if i saw one

2705
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,679
hey

2706
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:37,119
ted i know we're running out of time

2707
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:40,880
here any physical traces of this burn

2708
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:43,360
marks or or anything like that

2709
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,560
uh of the uh in marley or of the uh

2710
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:47,760
light bulbs

2711
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,639
yeah

2712
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,159
uh marley yes

2713
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:52,320
actually both yeah

2714
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:55,199
yeah we've had uh uh

2715
01:49:02,310 --> 01:48:59,520
70 i believe it right now 71 uh landing

2716
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:02,320
site in marley and

2717
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:03,199
the

2718
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:07,520
leave

2719
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,520
a residue if they

2720
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:11,840
should ever near

2721
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:16,239
plants or a bush or the ground

2722
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:19,599
and uh so yeah they do generate uh

2723
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:21,760
physical effects yeah

2724
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,960
what what sort of what sort of residue

2725
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:26,800
is it sticks

2726
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,880
sticky powdery

2727
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,320
gummy

2728
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:32,239
it's it's powdery

2729
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,790
brownish color

2730
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:40,320
and

2731
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:43,040
not in very large quantities but uh

2732
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,639
nevertheless

2733
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:47,520
there's a physical residue it it doesn't

2734
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:50,080
glow in the dark or anything like that

2735
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:51,760
no and

2736
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,800
as you well know since delphi's kansas i

2737
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:56,480
really watched ah that's what i was

2738
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,520
thinking of

2739
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,239
we needed we need another hour for that

2740
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,960
oh boy

2741
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,520
and then another uh another hour for

2742
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:07,520
your investigation to

2743
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,440
uh iron man underground but i guess

2744
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:13,360
yeah yeah come on that's that's got to

2745
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:16,000
be one of the greatest cases of uh of

2746
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:19,199
all time uh anyway ted so what outside

2747
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:20,639
of marley are you working on anything

2748
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:22,159
else these days

2749
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:25,360
yeah i've got uh a uh a new

2750
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,360
second site which is uh about 40 miles

2751
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:30,960
from marley

2752
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:32,800
and uh

2753
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,960
it it has it all

2754
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,239
uh

2755
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:38,880
kind of like marley um

2756
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:41,199
bigfoot uh

2757
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:45,280
cases including uh some excellent uh

2758
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:53,109
we're we're not allowed to talk about

2759
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,800
bigfoot

2760
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:56,880
well the only the thing i like about

2761
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:59,760
this one particular case which is recent

2762
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,480
is

2763
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:02,320
the guy the gentleman

2764
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:04,880
is a very good friend of mine i believe

2765
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,599
him totally and his wife and his adult

2766
01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:09,199
adult son

2767
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:12,639
all saw this this guy for some time and

2768
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:15,040
photographed the footprints but there

2769
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:18,480
also is a extremely old and very haunted

2770
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,599
house

2771
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,920
where i've gotten some interesting stuff

2772
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:23,360
recorded

2773
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:26,560
uh and ufos light bulbs

2774
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,000
any now uh of course at paranormal

2775
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:32,560
locations a lot of time people will pick

2776
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,199
up uh you know evp's electronic voice

2777
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:37,840
phenomena anything like that

2778
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,470
yeah a very good friend of mine who is a

2779
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,840
actually a very well-known

2780
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:48,960
musician uh

2781
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:50,960
owns that property

2782
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:53,840
and uh well he and i go up there quite

2783
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:55,040
often

2784
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:56,480
and uh

2785
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:59,760
we set up the voice recorder

2786
01:52:07,189 --> 01:52:03,040
and uh it's the first time i i actually

2787
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:07,199
uh recorded something like that an evp

2788
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:08,480
and uh

2789
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:11,760
he was asking the question of a relative

2790
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,000
who had lived in that house

2791
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,880
and uh when i got back

2792
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,880
uh and i went through

2793
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:20,159
um

2794
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:21,760
the audio

2795
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:22,560
uh

2796
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,360
in response to him i can hear a male

2797
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:26,960
voice

2798
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:29,520
but i can't quite make out what it's

2799
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:30,639
saying

2800
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,159
and then about 10 seconds later

2801
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,040
like a group of people

2802
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,800
sounds like they're talking among

2803
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:40,400
themselves

2804
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,840
and believe me

2805
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,239
there's not even any electricity for

2806
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:46,880
eight miles in any direction from there

2807
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,920
so

2808
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,159
you know uh i was just working on this

2809
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,920
book that'll be uh

2810
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:54,239
coming out in a couple of weeks called

2811
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:57,360
uh ufo repeaters the camera doesn't lie

2812
01:53:01,589 --> 01:52:58,400
and

2813
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,599
i i did a uh i had was fairly close to

2814
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:04,159
this uh lady uh by the name of stella

2815
01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:06,880
lansing she's since deceased i i guess

2816
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,639
you must have probably heard of the the

2817
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,639
case she was able to go out with a

2818
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:13,040
camera at night now of course not every

2819
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,400
night and

2820
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,639
this was a camera not a video recorder

2821
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:18,639
in those days and she would come in and

2822
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:21,520
develop the uh the film uh i think eight

2823
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:23,920
millimeter maybe later on 16 millimeter

2824
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:26,239
and there would be all sorts of weird

2825
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:27,199
things

2826
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,760
on the uh on the film i mean we never

2827
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:31,440
could figure out we never could figure

2828
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:34,719
out whether it was her that was causing

2829
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:37,599
the phenomena or whether it was the

2830
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,560
locations that she was going to or maybe

2831
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,719
it's a combination of both do you think

2832
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:45,119
that certain people have the vibe

2833
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:47,920
to attract this is it you that they're

2834
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,440
looking for ted

2835
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:50,880
well

2836
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:52,400
the

2837
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,159
musician guy my butt

2838
01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:57,840
uh

2839
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:01,040
has the ability i believe

2840
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:03,840
because he's described things

2841
01:54:08,870 --> 01:54:07,520
at marley where he had never been i know

2842
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,880
for a fact

2843
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,320
to a t

2844
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:11,920
and uh

2845
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:15,440
you know he just suddenly sees

2846
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:17,280
like a drawing

2847
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:18,800
and uh

2848
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:20,719
in great detail

2849
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:23,599
and uh yeah i do think that uh that

2850
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:25,199
there are people

2851
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:28,480
who have those abilities yeah yeah um i

2852
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,280
actually come in i have epilepsy and um

2853
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:35,360
i have small seizures and i have big

2854
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,400
seizures

2855
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,199
so you know i mean

2856
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:40,960
mufon people willing when they showed up

2857
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:42,159
and i told them they thought maybe that

2858
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:43,520
could come into play or something you

2859
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,480
know i

2860
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:46,560
uh sometimes if i have a small one i

2861
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:49,040
don't know if i'm if i'm having it

2862
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:50,719
you know and who's to say i mean i was

2863
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:52,000
sitting there praying for the thing to

2864
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,440
come back that i couldn't have tuned it

2865
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:55,599
in with my epilepsy i i mean who knows

2866
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:57,280
you know why did you want to come back

2867
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,960
if it freaked you out

2868
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:01,119
well at that time i just had the one

2869
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:03,040
encounter with with the with the big

2870
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,639
disc in the field oh that was all great

2871
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,480
and fine that was like

2872
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:08,719
i just wasn't expecting it that was just

2873
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,320
it i wasn't

2874
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,400
i just wasn't expecting it to do what it

2875
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,639
did and be so close and

2876
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:16,480
i really wasn't expecting for it to come

2877
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,239
back i just was out there do you think

2878
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:20,960
it was do you think it came back for you

2879
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:22,800
kind of yeah

2880
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,480
i do

2881
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,320
now what what is the connection between

2882
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:28,400
that and the epilepsy i don't quite see

2883
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:30,159
the

2884
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,880
maybe uh maybe i'm

2885
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,920
well because

2886
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,320
you know having epilepsy uh i have small

2887
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:38,320
little seizures maybe i'm i'm i'm

2888
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:41,040
thinking on another a plane level uh

2889
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:43,280
maybe uh you know they talk about these

2890
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:44,800
things uh

2891
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:48,480
telepathy who's to say they they

2892
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:50,480
that's all i could do

2893
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:52,080
together and maybe you know piece it

2894
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:53,119
together yeah but

2895
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:55,199
i mean it i don't know what connection

2896
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,719
there would be because there are

2897
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:58,560
thousands of people who have epilepsy

2898
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,280
and

2899
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,360
how many of them have reported uh you

2900
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:03,840
know encounters with orbs

2901
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:07,199
well they exactly i i that's just it you

2902
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,480
know i don't know how many people out

2903
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,320
there with epilepsy has gone out there

2904
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:12,000
and do it but i'm sure yeah plenty of

2905
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,960
them but

2906
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,560
um you know when i was on the outer edge

2907
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,880
of radio and and and michael mott you

2908
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:18,639
know and that's what i mentioned to him

2909
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,679
and and then he had said he had heard uh

2910
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:23,599
somewhere down that somebody had had

2911
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,119
epilepsy and they'd kind of had a uh

2912
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,920
kind of some some some things happen to

2913
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:31,440
them too so

2914
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:33,119
but uh i didn't know too much on that

2915
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:34,400
it's just something that michael threw

2916
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:36,080
out on the show and

2917
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,119
you know

2918
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,880
really all i say is all i'm doing is

2919
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:40,320
trying to piece everything together to

2920
01:56:44,229 --> 01:56:42,159
make sense of it myself well isn't that

2921
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,239
what we're doing hey one last thing

2922
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,440
there uh ted um

2923
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:49,920
astronaut gordon cooper what was your

2924
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:52,239
well i i uh i know that one to two of

2925
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,159
you at the u.n um yeah the granada

2926
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:58,239
proposal which never really got off the

2927
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,239
ground i was there too uh you know that

2928
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,960
was of course lee spiegel put that all

2929
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:04,800
uh together who's with the huffington

2930
01:57:09,270 --> 01:57:07,199
post uh now um

2931
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:09,280
had you did you see or talked to him

2932
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,880
after that

2933
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:12,560
uh gordon

2934
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:14,800
yes yes oh yeah

2935
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:18,159
yeah we became uh pretty good friends

2936
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:21,679
and uh he was always wanting me to fly

2937
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:23,599
with him and that

2938
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,510
something it was a fighter plane

2939
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:33,119
and uh

2940
01:57:36,629 --> 01:57:34,880
i'm thinking well you couldn't have a

2941
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:36,639
better pilot but

2942
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:39,119
i don't like flying that well

2943
01:57:42,950 --> 01:57:40,239
yes

2944
01:57:45,750 --> 01:57:42,960
to be to be flying with gordon cooper in

2945
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,760
a hopped up jet fighter i just couldn't

2946
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:47,280
do that but

2947
01:57:53,189 --> 01:57:48,320
uh

2948
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:53,199
if i tell you what if i if i ever wanted

2949
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:56,000
to think of a brother

2950
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:59,040
uh i think gordon cooper would be that

2951
01:58:01,189 --> 01:58:00,000
guy

2952
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,199
he uh

2953
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,360
i was so impressed with him he's such a

2954
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:05,199
wonderful guy

2955
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:06,719
and uh

2956
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:08,480
did you ever talk to him about marley

2957
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:10,639
woods he was never there right

2958
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,480
no he wasn't no

2959
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:14,800
but i'll tell you i uh

2960
01:58:19,830 --> 01:58:17,360
wrote across new york city

2961
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:19,840
the evening before the united nations

2962
01:58:24,870 --> 01:58:21,760
thing and uh

2963
01:58:28,709 --> 01:58:24,880
i'm sitting there in a taxicab

2964
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,719
with uh alan heineck and gordon cooper

2965
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:30,639
and uh

2966
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:33,760
you would have enjoyed that conversation

2967
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:35,920
believe me

2968
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,239
well i you know i did talk to dr heineck

2969
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:40,159
a couple of times i did a couple of

2970
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:42,560
interviews for uh various publications

2971
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:45,119
and uh he did talk about a little bit

2972
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:47,840
about the his interest in the paranormal

2973
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:50,159
uh especially about the men in black i

2974
01:58:55,910 --> 01:58:53,840
mean he had had a couple uh well

2975
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,920
indirectly involved in one case where he

2976
01:58:59,030 --> 01:58:57,280
was

2977
01:59:01,750 --> 01:58:59,040
going to interview

2978
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:01,760
an individual down i think in mexico a

2979
01:59:05,109 --> 01:59:03,360
pilot that had seen

2980
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:05,119
uh you know something strange in the eye

2981
01:59:09,669 --> 01:59:07,840
uh in the sky and at the last minute the

2982
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:09,679
uh the interview was called off because

2983
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,320
the guy claims that he was you know uh

2984
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:14,800
forced off the road by a a black car of

2985
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:16,880
some kind and threatened if he talked

2986
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:18,560
with dr heineck they threatened him and

2987
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:19,679
his family

2988
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:22,719
and so forth and then another incident

2989
01:59:29,109 --> 01:59:26,080
involving a uh uh police officer who had

2990
01:59:31,270 --> 01:59:29,119
chased the ufo at the pretty close range

2991
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,280
and then um

2992
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:33,679
had some incident involving the uh the

2993
01:59:37,189 --> 01:59:35,119
men in black they seemed to know what he

2994
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:37,199
was doing and who he was reporting the

2995
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:39,119
sighting to and uh

2996
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:40,560
and uh

2997
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:41,679
so forth

2998
01:59:47,510 --> 01:59:45,199
was that uh shermer up in uh nebraska no

2999
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:47,520
no no this was this was as far as i know

3000
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:50,000
it was another um it was another uh

3001
01:59:54,470 --> 01:59:52,639
episode i don't think dr heineck ever

3002
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:54,480
actually told me the name of the

3003
01:59:59,430 --> 01:59:56,880
individual or i never i never uh wrote

3004
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:59,440
it down but i have used you know that

3005
02:00:04,070 --> 02:00:01,920
that interview quite a few times it's

3006
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:04,080
one of the few interviews where

3007
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:07,440
uh he actually you know discussed topics

3008
02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:09,599
like this but then again i'm probably

3009
02:00:14,629 --> 02:00:12,159
one of the few researchers who would

3010
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:14,639
discuss or try to get some information

3011
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:17,119
out of him involving you know paranormal

3012
02:00:20,790 --> 02:00:18,719
or men in black or something like that

3013
02:00:23,109 --> 02:00:20,800
because most of the other people that he

3014
02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:23,119
associated with at least in those days

3015
02:00:29,189 --> 02:00:27,040
were your nuts and bolts uh guys

3016
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:29,199
i'm just i'm just a nut i forget about

3017
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:30,719
the bolt i'm a nut

3018
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:33,840
no you're absolutely right

3019
02:00:39,750 --> 02:00:36,239
i remember a lot of those meetings uh

3020
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:39,760
like at incar and uh

3021
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:42,000
yeah it was pretty well down the line

3022
02:00:44,310 --> 02:00:42,880
but

3023
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:44,320
uh alan

3024
02:00:51,030 --> 02:00:47,920
was very open-minded and he was so

3025
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:51,040
curious about so many things

3026
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:52,800
and uh

3027
02:00:58,870 --> 02:00:55,280
you know i i'll tell you he was he was

3028
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,880
like a second dad to me he was

3029
02:01:02,870 --> 02:01:00,960
well it's a shame that there it's a

3030
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:02,880
shame that there aren't um

3031
02:01:08,550 --> 02:01:05,520
more guys like you and and uh

3032
02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:08,560
dr heineck involved in the field today

3033
02:01:13,589 --> 02:01:10,159
we seem to be

3034
02:01:16,229 --> 02:01:13,599
losing uh researchers at an alarming uh

3035
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:16,239
pretty alarming rate and

3036
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:17,760
i don't know you know what's going to be

3037
02:01:21,510 --> 02:01:19,119
in the next uh

3038
02:01:23,589 --> 02:01:21,520
10 years ago a lot of people that get

3039
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:23,599
into this subject of course think that

3040
02:01:29,589 --> 02:01:27,119
oh you know disclosure is going to come

3041
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:29,599
tomorrow obama's going to get on the

3042
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:32,239
the tv and and say the 72 races of

3043
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:33,280
aliens

3044
02:01:39,750 --> 02:01:37,040
including the tall whites carla are

3045
02:01:42,629 --> 02:01:39,760
are are coming here and i don't see it

3046
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:42,639
because there is no simple explanation

3047
02:01:48,550 --> 02:01:45,119
for any of this it's all pretty darn

3048
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:48,560
complex and ted i hope we can do this

3049
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:51,599
again soon i always enjoy our

3050
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:54,560
conversations out of everybody that i

3051
02:01:59,910 --> 02:01:57,280
have spoken with in this field over the

3052
02:02:04,229 --> 02:01:59,920
years you have to be one of the most

3053
02:02:06,709 --> 02:02:04,239
intelligent down to earth guys and uh

3054
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:06,719
you know bless your man for keeping with

3055
02:02:10,629 --> 02:02:08,960
this because most of the people would

3056
02:02:14,709 --> 02:02:10,639
have thrown in the test tube and the

3057
02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:16,550
ted anything you want to plug

3058
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:19,920
facebook uh videos

3059
02:02:26,149 --> 02:02:24,560
no actually uh i am finally starting to

3060
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:26,159
uh

3061
02:02:33,109 --> 02:02:28,639
i am working on a book

3062
02:02:36,790 --> 02:02:33,119
uh my wife has hounded me forever

3063
02:02:39,109 --> 02:02:36,800
to do that and uh so i'm starting to go

3064
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:39,119
back through uh i'm beginning with

3065
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:41,360
delpho's case

3066
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:44,480
and my god i drug all that stuff all the

3067
02:02:51,109 --> 02:02:47,119
files and what jesus that book is going

3068
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:51,119
to be 2 000 pages i think you're right

3069
02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:52,880
anyway

3070
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:57,199
on timothy beckley mystery ufo and we've

3071
02:03:03,669 --> 02:03:00,480
had a hell of a time uh this evening and

3072
02:03:07,270 --> 02:03:03,679
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3073
02:03:11,109 --> 02:03:07,280
week same host when our guest will be

3074
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:11,119
john ventry uh host of hanger one on the

3075
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:12,560
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3076
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:15,760
and laurie mcdonald who is the founder

3077
02:03:20,629 --> 02:03:18,000
and organizer of the sacramento alien

3078
02:03:22,790 --> 02:03:20,639
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3079
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:22,800
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3080
02:03:29,030 --> 02:03:24,880
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3081
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,040
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3082
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,880
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3083
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:32,400
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02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:34,880
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3085
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:37,040
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3086
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:39,440
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3087
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:42,719
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